Huey Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Surely Wolverine on its home track turns the tables today? Pinarello in the Classic Brando in the Flying Handicap Hunta Pence in the Cup Anyone like anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Huey said: Pinarello in the Classic Agree. Surely On The Bubbles is a false favourite? Don't see him getting 2000m. Some of Richards decisions I just don't understand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I like Maven Belle in the Sires Produce but not the price. In my opinion was poorly ridden at Ellerslie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Huey said: Hunta Pence in the Cup Hypnos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Agree. Surely On The Bubbles is a false favourite? Don't see him getting 2000m. Some of Richards decisions I just don't understand. Walkers decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, Huey said: Walkers decision The official decision may well have been Walkers but he has only been there five minutes so the recommendation would have come from Richards. It will take six months before Walker gets a handle on all the cattle at his disposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The official decision may well have been Walkers but he has only been there five minutes so the recommendation would have come from Richards. It will take six months before Walker gets a handle on all the cattle at his disposal. It would have been discussed a while ago with the man who is in charge and makes the actual big calls on star horses D Ellis. What other big 3 yo races would really be left for him now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Additionally he's a gelding and can see out a mile, for future targets wouldn't you think it's no harm testing the waters so to speak and find out if he can get some distance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: Additionally he's a gelding and can see out a mile, for future targets wouldn't you think it's no harm testing the waters so to speak and find out if he can get some distance I'm not convinced he does see out a mile. His galloping style and his looks are very much like his sire Brazen Beau. I'd be sticking to 1400m with the occasional 1600m. Surely you can tell in his training if he will get 2000m rather than "testing the waters". From the comments made by Richards and Bosson the horse is a laid back dude around the stable and in his work and trials. That may be giving a false impression of his ability to relax and stay. As for the lack of 3yr old races well that's where our whole pattern in NZ is screwed. The only options are Brisbane winter carnival. But that might be stuffed if the big wet continues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: It would have been discussed a while ago with the man who is in charge and makes the actual big calls on star horses D Ellis. I don't think Ellis has that type of influence as he leaves the training to his trainers. His job in the Te Akau machine is inspecting as many yearlings as he can each year and giving the wink at the sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Agree. Surely On The Bubbles is a false favourite? Don't see him getting 2000m. Some of Richards decisions I just don't understand. I don't follow NZ racing much these days so pretty out of touch, but he is thrown in at the weights. He has won numerous races and almost $1m. A couple of the others have won two races, but not much money, and the rest are one win horses and maidens. So surely he has to be favourite? Whether he will win is another question. Gives them a chance to test him out and hopefully get another group win. If he wasn't there we would all be saying what a shocking Group race that is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Doomed said: I don't follow NZ racing much these days so pretty out of touch, but he is thrown in at the weights. He has won numerous races and almost $1m. A couple of the others have won two races, but not much money, and the rest are one win horses and maidens. So surely he has to be favourite? Whether he will win is another question. Gives them a chance to test him out and hopefully get another group win. If he wasn't there we would all be saying what a shocking Group race that is. Most of the $1m comes from his Karaka Million 2yr old win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Most of the $1m comes from his Karaka Million 2yr old win. I think you only get just over $500,000 for that, they give a lot to the also rans. So even if you take that out he has won approximately $400,000, more than the rest of the field combined. I think he won the Manawatu Sires last year, probably his most prestigious win so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Doomed said: I think you only get just over $500,000 for that, they give a lot to the also rans. So even if you take that out he has won approximately $400,000, more than the rest of the field combined. I think he won the Manawatu Sires last year, probably his most prestigious win so far. But predominantly over 1200 and 1400m. Don't get me wrong I have always been a fan of the horse. I just don't think he is a 2000m horse. $2 is far too short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Possibly he didn't stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Class carried On The Bubbles as far it could. I like the fact Walker has taken the side rolls off him. Perhaps we might see a little less head gear on the Te Akau horses going forward. Sadly On The Bubbles will be handicapped out of NZ racing very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 chances of a relegation...100/1.😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I don't think Ellis has that type of influence as he leaves the training to his trainers. His job in the Te Akau machine is inspecting as many yearlings as he can each year and giving the wink at the sales. He is the boss, he wants group 1s. I don't necessarily disagree, I think 1400 looks his best distance, but he's one of the top 3 yo Olds in the country, I can see why he had a go. You mention earlier you don't think he's a miler, he was close to winning a group 1 mile the start before, it's one of the last bug 3yo races, why the hell wouldn't you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: chances of a relegation...100/1.😉 It will be interesting to see if they are brave enough. I thought the runner up was going to get there. She was interferred with badly enough to be over a length away at the line. If she had got within a head she might have been promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 ' His job in the Te Akau machine is inspecting as many yearlings as he can each year and giving the wink at the sales. First part...not imo...2nd part ..=definitely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Just now, Doomed said: It will be interesting to see if they are brave enough. I thought the runner up was going to get there. She was interferred with badly enough to be over a length away at the line. If she had got within a head she might have been promoted. The momentum shows would have gone right..on by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: You mention earlier you don't think he's a miler, he was close to winning a group 1 mile the start before, it's one of the last bug 3yo races, why the hell wouldn't you But that's our mentality in NZ. "Oh we may as well give it a go and see what happens". That is also magnified by the lack of age group opportunities over a number of distances towards the end of the season here. Personally I wouldn't run the risk of racing a horse past its distance. Who knows what it does to their attitude going forward. Don't forget OTB has also had a wind op. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: First part...not imo So you are saying he doesn't inspect a large number of yearlings each year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: So you are saying he doesn't inspect a large number of yearlings each year? No,I'm saying that he would not do it alone!🤪 Is he a good judge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: The momentum shows would have gone right..on by. Any benefit of the doubt should favour the interferred with horse. I thought it was going to go straight past the tiring leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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