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2 minutes ago, mardigras said:

I'd love you to show me where I stated that. Try using some facts in future. 

Of course that site is no longer...and of course you'd say that...

But I can give you the horses if you like...

...so you can twist and turn like the cork screw schiester you is...

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Yep you know it 25/1/17

MAHALO v  Monrecour R 65 at Avondale

M slow and caught 3 wide...flushed even wider round the turn to be widest of all...

In a G3...3L from NO MORE TEARS, VOLKSLIGHTENING and WINDBOURNE

Up against Mon...maiden wid weaker...slowest time of the day

You found it impossible to interpret that form Read PERFORMANCE...an outstanding one v slowest

Like you couldn't interpret a strong German Black typer in INGRAINE...BLACK TYPE...3L from a subsequent G 1 winner in the States...impressive trialist at its very next start then wins...and wins again last week...

But its all about time with you

You need to ask yourself why Breeders ignore fastest times in their catalogues...

...because Black Type wins almost every time in FORM ANALYSIS read

PERFORMANCE...tattoo that into the noggin so you read it every morning....

best

 

 

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Where have I said I've found it impossible to interpret that form?

The good news is, in your last diatribe, you started referring to performance elements. Well done. Shame you chose a poor example where the 2yo mdn form was a better performance than the G1 form. Slower track, more weight, faster. Simple. Yet you still won't comprehend.

That performance may well have been why they entered into a G1. You didn't even realise the run was faster. 

It's not all about time. It's about performance, time is one component, the most relevant over the career of a horse. Not one that can be put in a catalog though since people like you can't compare times from different tracks. Even a simpleton should understand that - yet you can't.

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10 minutes ago, mardigras said:

Where have I said I've found it impossible to interpret that form?

The good news is, in your last diatribe, you started referring to performance elements. Well done. Shame you chose a poor example where the 2yo mdn form was a better performance than the G1 form. Slower track, more weight, faster. Simple. Yet you still won't comprehend.

That performance may well have been why they entered into a G1. You didn't even realise the run was faster. 

It's not all about time. It's about performance, time is one component, the most relevant over the career of a horse. Not one that can be put in a catalog though since people like you can't compare times from different tracks. Even a simpleton should understand that - yet you can't.

As I thought your memory is absolute sheet...

You priced that slowest of the day wid week maiden winner ahead of the unlucky G3 performer...

sheet for brains Its politely called...

Of course you cant compare times from different tracks...the above example just shows you...idiot

Next you'll be comparing a Trentham straight 6 to Ellerslie...when it's Black Type performance that counts not time...

I don't do time at all...you do...

Then calling a first up mid week Maiden 3rd as superior to a G1 effort...

0.3 L behind G2 placed The Reel Beel and G3 winner Melt is plain looney tunes

But you do looney well and keep repeating it for all to see

Congrats

You should email the Breeders ASAP

Tell them you've got a sure fire system that compares times between tracks And identifies superior horses...instead of their Black Type

Good luck with that

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Thommo, it's your usual error. You are applying a generalisation about a population (black type performers) to an individual performance. You can't do that. Well you can but it won't generally be helpful. It makes an assumption that could easily be ruled out.

Why can't you compare a Trentham straight six to Ellerslie, or any performances on different tracks for that matter? Of course you can. How else could you assess performance if you can't then compare the individual assessments?

Have you completed your remedial maths course yet and got your sis to explain the ecological fallacy??

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11 minutes ago, curious said:

Thommo, it's your usual error. You are applying a generalisation about a population (black type performers) to an individual performance. You can't do that. Well you can but it won't generally be helpful. It makes an assumption that could easily be ruled out.

Why can't you compare a Trentham straight six to Ellerslie, or any performances on different tracks for that matter? Of course you can. How else could you assess performance if you can't then compare the individual assessments?

Have you completed your remedial maths course yet and got your sis to explain the ecological fallacy??

Your gobbledygook is just bizarre...

A good individual performance in the very best of company translates to superior performance in inferior class...read FORM ANSLYSIS

...it's that simple

Of course you and your friend hardly punt here at all...gee let me think why...

Of course each rating band has its own superior speed rating to the next...

who the f knew??

Alors...a neddy racing in Black Type ...and to my form requirements...I.e. a PERFORMANCE I can appreciate and follows the pattern I've established over many years...gets da tick...

at value...

In the odd occasion that a neddy coming through the grades tops off superior performances in better class...I can hack

And I factor in things like 'unsuitable track', 'wide in the open', unlucky runs

Which bizarrely you two can't seem to work out...

Like "prove Blinkers make them go faster"

Bizarro crapola like that

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Thomass said:

A good individual performance in the very best of company translates to superior performance in inferior class...read FORM ANSLYSIS

...it's that simple

I actually think we agree on that though I don't really care about the company, just the good individual performance.

32 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Of course each rating band has its own superior speed rating to the next...

That though, is simply not true. It's the same generalisation and the same error.

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And this is how it works...

http://www.hkjc.com/english/racinginfo/racing_course_time.htm

Each superior class is faster...pretty bloody obvious I'd say

...apart from the odd example..

Like moi's superior system of class over time

Where Woddy thought the time in a maiden 2yo race was superior to a G1 effort

...where it almost beat the time in the last 2 runnings of the Karaka Mill..on exactly the same rating Track...at HQ!

apples v apples

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16 hours ago, Thomass said:

I'm sorry but it simply is true...

Theres stock standard times in HK. And Singapore, for example, as they move through...

@ 10L From Griffin to Group class in HK.....are you saying it's different here?

I don't think anyone's saying that isn't true or that it's different here, though I haven't looked. What I am saying is that you can not use average times for a population to assess individual performance. That's just dumb.

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13 minutes ago, curious said:

I don't think anyone's saying that isn't true or that it's different here, though I haven't looked. What I am saying is that you can not use average times for a population to assess individual performance. That's just dumb.

Wtf..make up ya mind Prof.

When I said each "rating band has its own superior speed rating to the next" You said

"that though is simply not true"

..and now you're saying "I don't think anyone's saying it isn't true"

Are you in the remedial reading class today?

 

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2 hours ago, curious said:

Well that's because I didn't understand what you meant by a speed rating. It now appears that you meant average time for each rating group for a given distance.

It's a crack up. His entire approach is built around generalisations and averages. 

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This has got to be a stitch up

All punters know about universal times for each class....

That's why you hear "that was above/ below standard time" after each race on these international meetings...

The same applies here to Punters who do FORM ANSLYSIS read PERFORMANCE...

Falling back in class after unlucky runs...gives Punters the opportunity to invest on horses with false ratings...

Just like RIDITLIKEYOUFINSTOLEIT...

Its all on for an investment if moi's FORM ANALYSIS indentifies a drop back in class neddy, to within 0.3 secs of the winner In higher class..

Its too simple for yous guys to understand though......go back to Montessori 

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Yep. Rely on hearsay Thommo.

The good thing is that I'm no longer worried that newbies to the game might take your bizarre theories on board, lose their money and depart the game. If they haven't yet figured out your fraudulent claims then they probably deserve to lose it. Someone has to or the rest of us couldn't win.

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And you couldn't understand a SPEED rating if you had it tattooed on your noggin

HK Punters love drop back horses...the ones who have genuine reasons for failing and being out of form...

..not you and your mates idea of.."take no notice of its last start"

3 wide facing the breeze the same as a perfect trail...

no idea

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7 hours ago, curious said:

Yep. Rely on hearsay Thommo.

The good thing is that I'm no longer worried that newbies to the game might take your bizarre theories on board, lose their money and depart the game. If they haven't yet figured out your fraudulent claims then they probably deserve to lose it. Someone has to or the rest of us couldn't win.

Yep, a fraud. He goes on and on about Black Type is superior. Always. A performance in a maiden can't be superior to Black Type.

Then refers to Black type performance levels and 'universal times' for each class. Universal if you don't mind.

Yet when he claims how good Black Type is, he doesn't even check to see whether the performance was in line with a Black Type performance that is supposedly universal. He just assumes because it's Black Type, it's superior.

When even a simple check on percentiles around track/condition/distance would tell you one way or the other.

And because he doesn't know how to assess actual performance (and uses class instead), he doesn't know when a maiden performs at the level of the universally known black type level.

He'll now argue he does check things like times. But it is clearly untrue after he raved about Firebird Flyer in one of the worst performing G3 races around. Clearly no where near a G3 universally known performance. And clearly the horse didn't quite reach those lofty heights before being retired. They could have kept her on for Warrnambool.

And he has no doubt been backing Adis every start it has thinking it is so superior - when it was a piss poor G2 race. As you say, we need people like him.

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Incredible though Mardigras, that when faced with such compelling info he still decides to rant rubbish like he does.

Sad state of affairs & crying shame really that a limited guy (That's a presumption, as he is likely a bot) wastes so much of his money gambling. I guess he is just too stupid to deserve to hold onto it.

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9 minutes ago, barryb said:

Incredible though Mardigras, that when faced with such compelling info he still decides to rant rubbish like he does.

Sad state of affairs & crying shame really that a limited guy (That's a presumption, as he is likely a bot) wastes so much of his money gambling. I guess he is just too stupid to deserve to hold onto it.

I don't know of a bot that could be that dumb and illogical, though I guess some programming genius may be able to create one.

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1 hour ago, mardigras said:

Then refers to Black type performance levels and 'universal times' for each class. Universal if you don't mind.

Yet when he claims how good Black Type is, he doesn't even check to see whether the performance was in line with a Black Type performance that is supposedly universal. He just assumes because it's Black Type, it's superior.

When even a simple check on percentiles around track/condition/distance would tell you one way or the other.

And because he doesn't know how to assess actual performance (and uses class instead), he doesn't know when a maiden performs at the level of the universally known black type level.

What's got me flummoxed is that he says that all punters know about "universal times for each class" but how could he calculate those (for ANZ racing) when he doesn't know how to generate a variant that allows comparison of a straight six at Trentham with the same distance at Ellerslie, and goes further by saying you can't do that.

Maybe, by "universal times for each class", he's referring to the average amount of time it takes him to complete his remedial maths and reading classes?

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