Brodie Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 The TAB often brings out fixed odds earlier than the night before on certain races!!! They have brought them out on the crap punting races, the Uncut Gems races!!!! most of these races are never great punting races and arent worth even looking at as the odds are always crap! If they are able to open the Book up early on these unattractive punting races then why on earth dont they use a bit of intelligence and open up early on all the races???? Surely they are wanting to attract punters to have a go, but by their actions it doesnt appear to be the case!!!!! Who makes these decisions in Wellington?. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Who makes these decisions in Wellington?. I think its one of the roles of Mavis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Brodie said: The TAB often brings out fixed odds earlier than the night before on certain races!!! They have brought them out on the crap punting races, the Uncut Gems races!!!! most of these races are never great punting races and arent worth even looking at as the odds are always crap! If they are able to open the Book up early on these unattractive punting races then why on earth dont they use a bit of intelligence and open up early on all the races???? Surely they are wanting to attract punters to have a go, but by their actions it doesnt appear to be the case!!!!! Who makes these decisions in Wellington?. I agree it's hopeless mate. The bookies need replacing. They should be able to get odds up far earlier than they do. The day before, or even on the actual day, is not good enough. They do offer good odds occasionally, mate. Nines for Mabalene last week was over the odds... thank you very much. Generally, the odds are poor and not worth looking at. There are some interesting races as Auckland tonight but I only watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 5, 2022 Author Share Posted May 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Davis said: I agree it's hopeless mate. The bookies need replacing. They should be able to get odds up far earlier than they do. The day before, or even on the actual day, is not good enough. They do offer good odds occasionally, mate. Nines for Mabalene last week was over the odds... thank you very much. Generally, the odds are poor and not worth looking at. There are some interesting races as Auckland tonight but I only watch. They actually bring them out earlier than what they do in Oz which is good. Just question why they bring the crap betting races out earlier when you would think they would want to attract early money on all races surely? When they do lengthen out the fixed odds it is often too late for punters to get on at the longer odds!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 10 hours ago, Brodie said: They actually bring them out earlier than what they do in Oz which is good. Just question why they bring the crap betting races out earlier when you would think they would want to attract early money on all races surely? When they do lengthen out the fixed odds it is often too late for punters to get on at the longer odds!!!! I get your point mate but there is a lot more racing in Aussie. Here they should be able to get the odds out the same day the fields are published, surely? I mean it is the same horses running around week after week, slow grass track horses, mostly and up north small fields and same horses each meet. Do the TAB even need the bookies? Surely, the whole process must be able to be done by computer these day, mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 5, 2022 Author Share Posted May 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Davis said: I get your point mate but there is a lot more racing in Aussie. Here they should be able to get the odds out the same day the fields are published, surely? I mean it is the same horses running around week after week, slow grass track horses, mostly and up north small fields and same horses each meet. Do the TAB even need the bookies? Surely, the whole process must be able to be done by computer these day, mate? I agree they could bring them out earlier than they do! Thing is the so called Bookies in NZ treat harness racing punters very poorly compared to the galloping punters! More restricted punters, no head to heads etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, Brodie said: More restricted punters, no head to heads etc. how many restricted punters in each of the codes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Brodie said: I agree they could bring them out earlier than they do! Thing is the so called Bookies in NZ treat harness racing punters very poorly compared to the galloping punters! More restricted punters, no head to heads etc. You're right mate. But, to be fair, harness is far easier to make the money. I steer clear of those gallopers mate, there's some crooks in that game and form hard to follow. If you piss on the track some can't handle it, others love mud. it's a raffle. Not for me. Edited May 5, 2022 by Davis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Davis said: I steer clear of those gallopers mate, there's some crooks in that game. Do you feel the National Organised Crime Group knocked on the wrong codes door ? Edited May 5, 2022 by Rangatira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 5, 2022 Author Share Posted May 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Rangatira said: how many restricted punters in each of the codes ? Not sure nowadays Ranga. i do know that several years ago there were no restricted gallops punters! Reason being is that gallops form is impossible and people that punt on gallops are not exactly playing with a full deck! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 5, 2022 Author Share Posted May 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Davis said: You're right mate. But, to be fair, harness is far easier to make the money. I steer clear of those gallopers mate, there's some crooks in that game and form hard to follow. If you piss on the track some can't handle it, others love mud. it's a raffle. Not for me. Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) Looking thru tonights Addington fixed odds, there are so many horses that odds appear far too short for what they should be, but we expect that from the Bookies! The thing is that if there is no money for a horse then they should be lengthening them out slightly to encourage wagering! By leaving them at UNDERS all it does is not encourage the punters to offload and by lengthening them out in the last few minutes misses so many would be punters! Yes they want to be SAFE however the odds are always in the TABs favour so to increase the turnover and therefore the profit, they need to alter their current policy of offering fixedodds that are under what they should be until the last few minutes!! Edited May 6, 2022 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Brodie said: By leaving them at UNDERS all it does is not encourage the punters to offload and by lengthening them out in the last few minutes misses so many would be punters! I am sure it is also better for their heart rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: I am sure it is also better for their heart rates. Ranga, it is not their personal money!!! Yes they are paid to get the best result for their employer being the TAB! However their business plan is totally flawed. If NZ wants a harness racing future they seriously need to be encouraging people to enter the industry, i.e. Owners trainers drivers and PUNTERS! Without the $ from the punters in NZ the industry is totally stuffed and the TAB will only be operating on Sports and overseas racing! Any Dickhead can set odds that are UNDERS and leave them there, they need to be encouraging the wagering! The tote pools nowadays are pathetic and clearly shows that they are not getting the casual punter onboard! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 I see now they have SP(Starting price) odds.Which means you get the odds at the time race starts..This means the bookies dont actually have to set a price they basically let the early punters do it for them and then set a Price dependent on where the early money is going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) Addington and Auckland both race on Friday night! The Bookies yesterday brought out the Fixed Odds on the SHIT races not worth betting on at Auckland! If they do this on races not worth wagering on then why not bring some out on Addington as well where the punters will actually offload? Edited May 18, 2022 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 17 hours ago, Brodie said: Addington and Auckland both race on Friday night! The Bookies yesterday brought out the Fixed Odds on the SHIT races not worth betting on at Auckland! If they do this on races not worth wagering on then why not bring some out on Addington as well where the punters will actually offload? Pretty sure they open Group Races and some listed races earlier than lower rated races. Who in their right mind bets on these six horse races with $1.30 favourites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 18 hours ago, Brodie said: Addington and Auckland both race on Friday night! The Bookies yesterday brought out the Fixed Odds on the SHIT races not worth betting on at Auckland! If they do this on races not worth wagering on then why not bring some out on Addington as well where the punters will actually offload? I think they are all group races mate that's why early Fixed Odds? Don't know why they can't do the other races at the same time as it is the same horses racing each week? I agree with you most of the races not worth a bet but I do think that Race 7 at Alexandera Park is interesting. I think I can see the winner, Highgrove will be favourite, but too short for me but there are other promising young trotters in the field, including young Purdon's Mystic Max, Nairn duo El Conqueror and Masterly, Rakero Blaze and American Muscle all capable of winning it. That's the race I will be targeting mate! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Davis said: I think they are all group races mate that's why early Fixed Odds? Don't know why they can't do the other races at the same time as it is the same horses racing each week? I agree with you most of the races not worth a bet but I do think that Race 7 at Alexandera Park is interesting. I think I can see the winner, Highgrove will be favourite, but too short for me but there are other promising young trotters in the field, including young Purdon's Mystic Max, Nairn duo El Conqueror and Masterly, Rakero Blaze and American Muscle all capable of winning it. That's the race I will be targeting mate! Yeah they are the Group Races, but they are crap races that are not worth the effort! Why bother as you would be a mug punter betting on those shorties, punters that back them for any significant amount would be losing punters. Why not bring all the races out as not sure how much they get on early as they never tell us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 45 minutes ago, Brodie said: Yeah they are the Group Races, but they are crap races that are not worth the effort! Why bother as you would be a mug punter betting on those shorties, punters that back them for any significant amount would be losing punters. I think you just answered your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share Posted May 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rangatira said: I think you just answered your question. The races that they got the early fixed odds are the crap races, the supporting races do often have horses worth having a go. Why the crap races with a handfull of starters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Brodie said: The races that they got the early fixed odds are the crap races, the supporting races do often have horses worth having a go. Why the crap races with a handfull of starters? money for jam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rangatira said: money for jam Surefire way of doing your dough! No one makes money long term backing the shorties Ranga! Might as well buy the Crypto! Edited May 19, 2022 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 39 minutes ago, Brodie said: Surefire way of doing your dough! No one makes money long term backing the shorties Ranga! Might as well buy the Crypto! Money for Jam for the TAB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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