Tonkatime! Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 17 hours ago, Bloke said: Mate there is no longer any such thing as "Shield Fever". Rugby is stuffed. In Wellington Football would be at least 3 times more popular in participation. I have mentioned this before, but I will repeat for you as you are an expat. Karori Waterside Football on their website states that they have 1,000 players and 100 teams. Wests Rugby which covers from Karori to Khandallah / Ngaio only has two senior teams. If it were not for the polynesian community in Wellington the game would be dead. Racing as we know is a sunset industry. The land has been sold so once the funds are blown then it will most likely be "Game Over" I have decided to go to Riccarton for The Cup Day as I want to pay honour to one of the greats, Show Gate ( she has been laid to rest there) who I witnessed completing an amazing treble during Cup Week in 1974 Wests rugby have some of the strongest junior numbers in the country. The issues for wests is that they lose players when the go to college as they don’t have a college in the area and other clubs are affiliated with the colleges that most of there juniors go to but your right senior rugby numbers on the whole in are in decline in the capital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Tonkatime! said: Wests rugby have some of the strongest junior numbers in the country. The issues for wests is that they lose players when the go to college as they don’t have a college in the area and other clubs are affiliated with the colleges that most of there juniors go to but your right senior rugby numbers on the whole in are in decline in the capital. Oh come on. They cover a massive area which includes Wellington City's largest suburb and they can only come up with two senior teams? Look at other suburbs such as Tawa, Johnsonville etc. only a handful of senior Rugby teams. Then look at the Football clubs, North Wellington which covers Johnsonville has 21 senior teams, Tawa has 12 senior teams. The powers that be in Rugby are in denial and dismiss Football as "soccer poofters". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, Bloke said: Oh come on. They cover a massive area which includes Wellington City's largest suburb and they can only come up with two senior teams? Look at other suburbs such as Tawa, Johnsonville etc. only a handful of senior Rugby teams. Then look at the Football clubs, North Wellington which covers Johnsonville has 21 senior teams, Tawa has 12 senior teams. The powers that be in Rugby are in denial and dismiss Football as "soccer poofters". As I previously said they have big junior numbers, there issue is retention once players reach college and other clubs, most of those kids to go schools affiliated with other rugby clubs and that’s the major issue. The other issue is that Wests got relegated 10-15 years ago and when the competition was restructured Wests (like stokes valley) we’re left in the wilderness no one with any prospect or ambition was going to play for Wests. I’d suspect 20 years ago senior football numbers were still higher than rugby purely for the fact it’s less physical and people can keep playing for longer. I don’t dispute your point that rugby numbers are on the decline but the wests situation is not a good example as there are external factors at play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 10/09/2022 at 1:06 PM, nomates said: Well having a shield game and a G1 raceday on the same day suggests no one in either sport has a clue , maybe some bright spark could have thought why not try and make it a package deal so people could go to both , sounds almost like a half decent weekend then . Why am i even suggesting it , both sports are clueless . Apparently it was a very successful day , I'm guessing someone in a role like this would be in the know 😆 🤣 😂 https://loveracing.nz/News/37704/60SecondsWith-SamAlexander.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Huey said: Apparently it was a very successful day , I'm guessing someone in a role like this would be in the know 😆 🤣 😂 https://loveracing.nz/News/37704/60SecondsWith-SamAlexander.aspx Story didn't state how it was a successful day,certainly wasn't for Southland rugby supporters, just coming up a bit short, in the shield game, , back to the racing the fact they actually got a full day in could be judged a milestone. Seriously though it would be good to see the betting figures, for everyday, apparently I believe that if you bet on your phone on course then that is deemed a bet on course, can anyone confirm that, the TAB know your location at time of placing a bet or something., seeing the tote figures or the fixed odds take is always interesting, why the secrecy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 41 minutes ago, mikeynz said: Story didn't state how it was a successful day,certainly wasn't for Southland rugby supporters, just coming up a bit short, in the shield game, , back to the racing the fact they actually got a full day in could be judged a milestone. Seriously though it would be good to see the betting figures, for everyday, apparently I believe that if you bet on your phone on course then that is deemed a bet on course, can anyone confirm that, the TAB know your location at time of placing a bet or something., seeing the tote figures or the fixed odds take is always interesting, why the secrecy ? Mike, just to bring you up to speed, NZTR and TAB are secret societies, a bit like the Masonic Club, The Masons......you know, a special handshake, and talking in code.......what's not a secret, the ineptitude, the hopelessness, the lack of care and accountability, and the ability to make wild guesses. The funs gone, fun, the quintessential factor essential for racings survival, cos tis but a fleeting thing, fun. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 The only special handshake at my end is when I'm finished having a fucking piss😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Getting back to being serious again,another shield match on saturday, would you believe a 7 05 start, why not last weekend ?, sure Southland are not the biggest draw card but nonetheless it's just the lack of cohesion that looks ameturish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 On 11/09/2022 at 8:33 PM, Tonkatime! said: As I previously said they have big junior numbers, there issue is retention once players reach college and other clubs, most of those kids to go schools affiliated with other rugby clubs and that’s the major issue. The other issue is that Wests got relegated 10-15 years ago and when the competition was restructured Wests (like stokes valley) we’re left in the wilderness no one with any prospect or ambition was going to play for Wests. I’d suspect 20 years ago senior football numbers were still higher than rugby purely for the fact it’s less physical and people can keep playing for longer. I don’t dispute your point that rugby numbers are on the decline but the wests situation is not a good example as there are external factors at play. Sorry but I cannot accept your reasoning. We are talking about an area with a 100k population having just two senior teams in what is supposed to be our National Sport. A couple of years ago I was watching a football game in Stokes Valley which you mention, and Stokes Valley is a social club for Football. Well, they had 9 senior football teams and from memory Stokes Valley had two senior Rugby Teams. There are many Football clubs in Wellington in places that Rugby does not exist ie. Island Bay, Brooklyn. Eastbourne etc. Things are so bad for Rugby in Wellington they are now playing some NPC Wellington games at Porirua Park. I guess a crowd of 200 can look a lot larger there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Just watching the shield match (Wellington), looks like a good crowd the shields not completely dead, not in the rural areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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