holy ravioli Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 50 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Again you miss the point. Get you head out of your text book theory. The racing industry works under a socialist construct. Everything is legislated to maintain a monopoly. It's about time the market constraints were removed. All the way from wagering to how race day licenses are allocated. The latter should be contestable. Interesting theory that a monopoly situation is a Socialist construct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assange Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Looking at the sales results there must be a number of breeders whose sale price hasn't covered their costs. I wonder how many stallions service fees will be reduced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, holy ravioli said: Interesting theory that a monopoly situation is a Socialist construct. Socialism is by definition a monopoly. It is created and controlled by the State. Government fixes the price of everything including labour. Interesting how the only part of the NZ Racing industry that is successful is that which is exposed to the most market forces I.e. the breeding industry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Socialism is by definition a monopoly. It is created and controlled by the State. Government fixes the price of everything including labour. Interesting how the only part of the NZ Racing industry that is successful is that which is exposed to the most market forces I.e. the breeding industry. That may well be your personal definition🥱...but..try-'Socialism is a political philosophy and movement encompassing a range of economic and social systems,[1] which are characterised by social ownership of the means of production,[2] with an emphasis on democratic control,[3][4] such as workers' self-management, as opposed to private ownership'-Wiki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: That may well be your personal definition🥱...but..try-'Socialism is a political philosophy and movement encompassing a range of economic and social systems,[1] which are characterised by social ownership of the means of production,[2] with an emphasis on democratic control,[3][4] such as workers' self-management, as opposed to private ownership'-Wiki. Soft definition that only hides the real agenda. No wonder the country is in a mess for the same reason as the racing industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Soft definition that only hides the real agenda. No wonder the country is in a mess for the same reason as the racing industry. Lincoln's got alot to answer for!. Your mentor Rodney Hide has indoctrinated you with thoroughly discredited ideology. Monopoly the board game could not be more Capitalist.A game of craven ,rentier acquisition to destroy other players by increasing rents till they are...busted.Kinda like todays society foistered on the populace by private bankers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 54 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Lincoln's got alot to answer for!. Your mentor Rodney Hide has indoctrinated you with thoroughly discredited ideology. Monopoly the board game could not be more Capitalist.A game of craven ,rentier acquisition to destroy other players by increasing rents till they are...busted.Kinda like todays society foistered on the populace by private bankers. FFS it appears you've never even played Monopoly. So what are your solutions for the NZ Racing industry? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 22 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Nothing to do with the number of horses requiring a start and their proximity to Taupo? Or could it be a product of the closing down of training centres in other regions and the diversion of funds away from tracks to "hospitality" monstrosities? Certainly nothing to do with the former, there has been multiple occassions where this has been the case elsewhere. Definitely the latter , as NM has alluded to there is certainly a manufactured move North taking place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Huey said: Definitely the latter , as NM has alluded to there is certainly a manufactured move North taking place. That move was happening regardless of any perceived encouragement from the mythical cartel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: That move was happening regardless of any perceived encouragement from the mythical cartel. Perhaps , perhaps not though the myth you speak of has certainly hastened it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 On 5/02/2023 at 1:09 PM, Huey said: Perhaps , perhaps not though the myth you speak of has certainly hastened it. No perhaps about it. The writing was on the wall for many breeding centres for a long time. When the costs of breeding and racing a horse substantially increased for a number of wider economic reasons alongside the severe decline in real returns many part-time hobby breeders chucked it in. Long gone are the days when every farmer had a broodmare or two as a sideline interest. When that stopped studs in those regional/provincial areas found it too tough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 These days any breeder without land and time needs a 70k sale to break even on a 19k service fee And that is if everything goes O K 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 How well are the stock of Wrote going , I make todays winner his 10th in a month including the Aus G3 winner. Also Belardo having a day out with 3 synthetic track wins today, the stock of War Decree are starting to get going as well off limited runners, good to see these young sires getting going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Huey said: How well are the stock of Wrote going , I make todays winner his 10th in a month including the Aus G3 winner. Also Belardo having a day out with 3 synthetic track wins today, the stock of War Decree are starting to get going as well off limited runners, good to see these young sires getting going. I might have to sit down with..Karen..to see if I ..concur!🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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