curious Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 10 hours ago, Doomed said: It would only take about 5 years to stuff NZ racing, so probably not much difference between a 5 year or 25 year deal. We won't last 25 if they cock it up. It was stuffed 25 years ago. Another 25 will just stuff it more by the look of this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 12 hours ago, Doomed said: An on course tote just wouldn't work given the small number of attendees and the tiny pools. Back in the days of on course only meetings the Riccarton Turf Club would do about $250,000 on course. These days the CJC would think they were doing well to turn over $50,000 on course. I thought the Riccarton Turf Club was a trial only operation back in the day before the CJC "acquired" it? They now have one race day at Riccarton but don't run trials though their volunteers are still key contributors to the current trials. Don't think they ever held race meetings back in the day did they? Anyway, of course when betting was on course only, the on course turnover was higher. These days most turnover is off course. Understandably, many do not want to waste 6 hours of their time dealing with crap food and facilities in order to enjoy betting on 8 races when they can sit in comfort with select food and drink to do so and have plenty of time to do other things and bet elsewhere as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, curious said: I thought the Riccarton Turf Club was a trial only operation back in the day before the CJC "acquired" it? They now have one race day at Riccarton but don't run trials though their volunteers are still key contributors to the current trials. Don't think they ever held race meetings back in the day did they? Anyway, of course when betting was on course only, the on course turnover was higher. These days most turnover is off course. Understandably, many do not want to waste 6 hours of their time dealing with crap food and facilities in order to enjoy betting on 8 races when they can sit in comfort with select food and drink to do so and have plenty of time to do other things and bet elsewhere as well. Yes, the Turf Club definitely had a raceday, on-course only I think, as indicated by Doomed. As a member of the Turf Club I was granted 'Associate' membership to the CJC after the takeover, as were members of Amberley/North Canterbury. They may still have that membership but I haven't seen any reference to Turf Club members for years. I guess my 'association' got rubbed out. As trials are no longer at either Rangiora or Motukarara, any 'volunteers' have long been extinguished. Ashburton may have its own version of 'volunteers' but certainly, the Riccarton AWT trials won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Freda said: Yes, the Turf Club definitely had a raceday, on-course only I think, as indicated by Doomed. As a member of the Turf Club I was granted 'Associate' membership to the CJC after the takeover, as were members of Amberley/North Canterbury. They may still have that membership but I haven't seen any reference to Turf Club members for years. I guess my 'association' got rubbed out. As trials are no longer at either Rangiora or Motukarara, any 'volunteers' have long been extinguished. Ashburton may have its own version of 'volunteers' but certainly, the Riccarton AWT trials won't. No. According to a RTC committee member that rang me last night they met last week. AGM? That person is also still doing the trial timekeeping as a volunteer. Edited April 19, 2023 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) As far as I know, they were never licensed to run an on course only tote meeting, only an equalisator one which certainly wouldn't do 250k. Edited April 19, 2023 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 They filed an annual financial statement in November last year showing equity of $66,645 in the form of a loan to the CJC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, curious said: They filed an annual financial statement in November last year showing equity of $66,645 in the form of a loan to the CJC. Interesting. 29 minutes ago, curious said: No. According to a RTC committee member that rang me last night they met last week. AGM? That person is also still doing the trial timekeeping as a volunteer. Interesting also. I never got any info going forward about any Turf Club business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 If you look at the CJC annual reports you will see they have ward committees for Amberley, Hororata, North Canterbury and Riccarton Turf. I often struggle to remember what I did yesterday but I am quite certain that NZ used to have on course betting only race-meetings and Riccarton Turf was one of them. They possibly ended late 70s, early 80s. I can specifically remember a very big divi one day when there was only one live ticket on a quinella or double. Equalisator betting was quite a different thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 You may be right Doomed but it would have been contrary to their own rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 They definitely ran race meetings that had on course only betting when Viv Jack was the President. Winsome Shaw may have been Secretary but, my memory is fuzzy. The large dividend winner many recall was the grey Legalize trained by Marlene Bennett, maybe for her father. Not sure if Judy Hawes/Collett rode him that day or Sheralee Boyce (former partner of Chris Johnson). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, curious said: You may be right Doomed but it would have been contrary to their own rules. That may have been the original intention, but the equalisator meetings morphed into an oncourse only meeting. I think it was the only one in the SI, but there were several around the Waikato. It came about believe it or not because there were so many horses about and the TAB didn't open Thursdays and Sundays so there needed to be some extra opportunities in certain areas at certain times. A totalisator club couldn't hold both types of licences so the oncourse only meetings were given to clubs like Riccarton TC. In the Waikato it would have been clubs like South Waikato. They would have also been good earners for the organisations whose day job was running many of the trial meetings. I don't have any records of any of this so I'm relying on memory. Others more intimately involved than I will know much more about it. Sad that the Racing industry doesn't seem to have recorded history like this very well, at least nothing you can google. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Just found an old Turf Register. The Riccarton Turf Club raced at Riccarton on Thursday 18 February 1982. Nine races, all worth $1,000. On course turnover of $115,922. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 The other on-course only clubs included Alexandra who raced at Te Rapa, Cromwell TC, Eastern Bay of Plenty at Te Teko, Helensville at Avondale, South Waikato at Rotorua and Waiuku at Ellerslie. Waiuku incidentally did on course turnover of $373,333 at Ellerslie on 18 Feb 1982. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Some of that information is trickling rather than flooding back now you mention it. Good days and good memories. When you think about it times were much more simple then. You'd wonder why people of today have to over complicate everything. Also trickling back with the tote busting grey Legalize, I know his trainer Marlene Bennett was harness trainer Frank Bennett's first wife but, someone else might confirm if she was the daughter of Dick Jennings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Of course the RTC still hold meetings as they did at Riccarton last Saturday. Though it was nominally the Riccarton Turf Club @ Riccarton Park meeting, it was officially a CJC meeting run under their tote licence. I wonder if the 80s meetrings were the same or if the RTC actually held their own tote licence at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 35 minutes ago, curious said: Of course the RTC still hold meetings as they did at Riccarton last Saturday. Though it was nominally the Riccarton Turf Club @ Riccarton Park meeting, it was officially a CJC meeting run under their tote licence. I wonder if the 80s meetrings were the same or if the RTC actually held their own tote licence at that time. A Club only holds a tote license if TABNZ grants one which is dependent on TABNZ and NZTR allocating a race date. If a race date is allocated then TABNZ MUST allocate a tote license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Pretty sure they were a Riccarton Turf Club oncourse licence. When you think about it why would the CJC need an oncourse only meeting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 27 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Pretty sure they were a Riccarton Turf Club oncourse licence. When you think about it why would the CJC need an oncourse only meeting? Yes, they were quite separate licences to those held by the club who owned the track they were raced at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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