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By Chief Stipe · Posted
Come on @Brodie !! Be nice to those "other punters" afterall it was they that contributed to your millions of dollars of winnings! I can see some hypocrisy here. -
By Wandering Eyes · Posted
With what feels like the culmination from years of mounting pressure, the volcano of opprobrium over Computer Assisted Wagering (CAW) erupted this summer, spilling all over the industry. The debate around CAW players typically surrounds the edge they wield over regular gamblers thanks to their use of sophisticated technologies that allow them to precisely read the markets and to place massive wagers across many pools in the final seconds of betting-sometimes leading to extreme late odds changes-as well as the attractive rates and rebates offered to them which are unavailable to the average punter. Collective pushback by rank-and-file gamblers led to actionable change at Del Mar during its summer meet, when outcry over a spate of glaring late-odds drops led to the track closing CAW access to its win pools at two minutes before the off-a move that mirrored prior action by the New York Racing Association (NYRA). Santa Anita followed suit. Despite a spate of late odds drops during its recently concluded fall meet, however, Keeneland resisted the call to similarly cut off CAW access in its win pool-but changes might be on the way (more on that in a bit). Then there's the recent class action lawsuit against several CAW-related wagering entities under the under the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (“RICO”) and under state law. The suit alleges they have “organized and participated in the corruption of the betting system” to the detriment of the plaintiffs. “This just snowballs,” said Marshall Gramm, Rhodes College economics professor. “It has become the central issue for rank-and-file horseplayers.” (Read the TDN's extensive coverage of CAW which includes a CAW 101, a look under the hood at how deals are made between tracks and individual teams, as well as a review of global approaches to the issue) Click here for panel discussion on CAWs in horse racing which was presented at the 2024 National HBPA Conference. “We've reached a tipping point,” agreed Damon Thayer, a veteran lawmaker with 22 years serving the Kentucky State Senate and now a senior advisor to the Thoroughbred Racing Initiative (TRI). “Horseplayers are pretty upset about this.” Which is why, he said, some lawmakers in the Kentucky state legislature are considering introducing legislation to manage CAW play. “I'm not suggesting legislation. I'm not encouraging legislation,” stressed Thayer (a remark he repeated). “But I happened to run into [a Kentucky lawmaker] at Keeneland two weeks ago, and he told me he's very concerned about the situation with the CAWs and that he's considering introducing legislation.” Betting slip | Sarah Andrew As to the nature of any such possible legislation, “it could be a very simple requirement that the racetracks cut off betting from the CAWs at a certain point in time-two minutes to post. Five minutes to post,” said Thayer. Kentucky state representative Matt Lehman (D) is one of the lawmakers considering legislative intervention. “I've followed horse racing all my life,” said Lehman. “It is very difficult for the average person to even compete against what's happening in some of these pools.” He added, “I was recently at Keeneland. I thought I had a nice long shot, 21-1 going into the gate. Across the wire first and the odds were 8-1. When a pretty reliable fan or better in the game feels like he lost with an 8-1 horse winning, I think we've got a problem.” With the state legislature not set to return to session until the start of next year, bipartisan discussions of possible legislation are currently “informal,” said Lehman. “This isn't something you would usually ask legislators to really get involved in, micro-managing how these businesses run,” said Lehman. “Our preference would be to have these track operators figure something out that is important for their own health as well as the Kentucky industry going forward.” But Lehman floated possible ways in which these talks could play out. “The things you'd have to look at are: what is pari-mutuel racing? How is that defined? And what does it mean to have some level of equitability among the different players in the pools, along with transparency of information available to legislators and the public?” said Lehman. “There's not a real clear picture of just how much CAW money are in the pools at any given time,” he added. Windows at Santa Anita | Horsephotos This last point isn't just a Kentucky problem, however. The California Horse Racing Board (CHRB) used to annually report the handle wagered by individual CAW teams but stopped doing so in 2022, choosing to instead report wagering totals from individual CAW platforms (like Elite Turf Club). And yet, even with the steps the CHRB has taken to shield from public view CAW play in the pools, California remains arguably the most transparent of any jurisdiction in how it reports the impacts of CAW wagering on the pools. Lawsuit Timeframes A legal development that has garnered considerable attention is the class action lawsuit filed last month by former horse racing gambler Ryan Dickey. The defendants comprise several entities under the The Stronach Group (TSG) umbrella (who last week issued a response to the lawsuit). This includes Elite Turf Club, a CAW wagering platform 80% owned by Stronach Group and 20% owned by the New York Racing Association (NYRA), and AmTote International, the dominant totalizator service provider for North American racetracks described in the lawsuit as the “clearing house of U.S. pari-mutuel wagering.” The other defendants comprise Churchill Downs Inc. (which owns CAW wagering platform Velocity), NYRA, United Tote Company and Racing & Gaming Services, another CAW wagering platform. The lawsuit–filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York–could play out between as little as six months to two to three years, said attorney Drew Couto, a former president of the Thoroughbred Owners of California (TOC). Tote board at Fair Grounds | Hodges Photography One of the quicker ways the case could be resolved within months is through a settlement. First, however, is an important procedural hurdle called a motion to certify the class. “And there's a risk on both sides, obviously,” said Couto about the class certification process. “The plaintiff believes that the case warrants certification as a class. The defendants are going to argue that it doesn't.” Even if class certification is granted, the defendants can appeal that decision–another potential spoke in the legal wheel that can stretch out the lawsuit's timeline. During the process leading to whether or not class certification is granted, there's a period of discovery on both sides. “That process can take up a fair amount of time,” explained Couto. “It's not a simple case of filing the complaint and then you immediately schedule a motion for certification, which is a complex motion in itself. But it is, generally speaking, an expedited process.” If, however, class certification is ultimately granted, “then from the defendants' standpoint, your liability exposure goes up significantly,” said Couto. “At first, defendants take a very hard line–'yes, we're going to fight certification.' If they lose at the certification level, however, then the calculations, from a defense standpoint, change,” said Couto. “A defendant must then assess what are the future risks, and that's why, when one is looking at the length of time, and costs, associated with a class action case, certification is the first pivotal point.” Industry Next Steps While the legal machinations of the lawsuit play out, what steps should tracks take to seriously tackle the problem? According to Marshall Gramm, they need to focus on two key areas: price stability and price differences between the teams and the retail bettors. More pointedly, they need to cut off CAW access two minutes to post in “all the visible pools,” he said. “This means the double, the exacta and the win pool.” The second area concerns reducing the price differences between what the CAW teams pay and what the recreational players pay, said Gramm. “You need to fix those two things.” Gramm repeated a remark made by others–that the issue has reached a tipping point, and that observed inaction in the face of late odds swings won't be met quietly. “One of the dominant stories of this Keeneland meet was the public outcry that has kept this to the forefront,” said Gramm. “I'm curious to know what they [Keeneland] do in the future,” he added. “Nothing's outside of the realm of possibility of what we may or may not do in the spring. It's not like we're just vehemently opposed to doing X or Y,” responded Keeneland's vice president of racing, Gatewood Bell, when asked what changes the track might make in its approach to managing CAW play going forward. “We also have to consider the track and the horsemen's accounts,” Bell said, stressing that Keeneland doesn't have an interest in any CAW platform or tote company, and therefore, not the entity offering rebates. “We're just trying to balance and keep all stakeholders in mind when we're making decisions like this.” Though Keeneland didn't cut off CAW play minutes before the off, the track each meet “evaluates and adjusts” the way it manages the CAW teams accessing their pools, said Bell. Keeneland during the Fall meet | Coady Media “To encourage balanced participation, Keeneland charges CAW players equivalent to or higher than those charged to retail bettors across all pools,” he added. The tweaks Keeneland made this last meet led to the total win pool handle going up 5% (comparing this year's meet to last year's), but CAW activity in that pool going down 9%, said Bell. Another is a slight reduction in the percentage of overall handle from CAW play, to around 24%. “I think we'd like it to go a little bit lower, to be honest,” said Bell, when asked if this is the percentage sweet spot. Nevertheless, they didn't impact the last-minute odds changes that garnered such withering criticism. Bell said that through the first 13 days of the meet, 57% of the winners went up in price or stayed the same, while 43% went down in price. “Do I think it's the final answer? No,” said Bell. “We're going to review it all,” he added. “Usually when the most profound change or positivity comes out of something, it's when there's a tipping point.” And what about the recently concluded Breeders' Cup? Before the meet, the Breeders' Cup stated it would not impose a two-minute win pool cutoff to CAW play (as its host track did this summer). “Fortunately, due to the substantial liquidity in our multi-million-dollar wagering pools, the late odds fluctuations that frustrate horseplayers have not been an issue at the World Championships, including last year at Del Mar,” the organization argued. With the meet now wrapped, has the organization reevaluated its approach to managing CAW play? “Breeders' Cup continues to evaluate all aspects related to wagering on the recently concluded World Championships,” a Breeders' Cup spokesperson wrote. The post “I Think We’ve Got A Problem”: What’s Next In The World Of CAW? appeared first on TDN | Thoroughbred Daily News | Horse Racing News, Results and Video | Thoroughbred Breeding and Auctions. View the full article -
That would be right! They appear to be nice blokes but they very poor punters, and not right for the BET RESPONSIBLY they try to portray. Punters who know what they are doing are being penalised and the other punters who arent flash are being encouraged to wager on anything! Brad Steele was interviewed by Paul Campbell from Oz a couple of days ago, and he thought the Out The Gate was very good lol. A terrible look for the TAB and doing nothing for the TAB’s image surely. -
By Wandering Eyes · Posted
Keeneland has supplemented 12 horses to the November Horses of Racing Age sale scheduled for noon ET on Wednesday, Nov. 12, which brings the total number of offerings to 215 for the stand-alone auction, the organizer said via a Thursday press release. In the latest round of supplements are: Cheval de Guerre (Hip 4212), a 3-year-old gelding by Caravaggio who is an allowance winner. He is consigned by ELiTE, agent; Chief Liam (Hip 4211), a 3-year-old colt by Violence who won an Oct. 5 allowance at Belmont At The Big A. Consigned by McPeek Racing Stables, agent, he is out of Liam's Lookout, a winning daughter of Liam's Map. Chief Liam is from the family of Grade II winners Rush Bay and Itsaknockout; Cultivate (Hip 4209), a 3-year-old gelding by Practical Joke who in 2025 is undefeated in two races at Saratoga and Belmont At The Big A, most recently Oct. 17. He is consigned by ELiTE, agent; Golden Gamble (Hip 4208), a 3-year-old stakes-placed daughter of Laoban who scored a nine-length victory in a maiden special weight race at Churchill. McPeek Racing Stables, agent, consigns the filly, whose second dam is a half-sister to European champion Hold That Tiger and GI Belmont Stakes winner Editor's Note. Golden Gamble is out of the Bernardini mare Me and Mine; Hamunaptra (Hip 4215), a 2-year-old colt by American Pharoah who was second by a half-length in his Oct. 26 debut at Churchill in a maiden special weight race. ELiTE, agent, consigns Humanaptra, whose dam is Wampum Girl, by Exchange Rate, a half-sister to Grade I winner Bordonaro; Mo Fox Givin (Hip 4204), a winning Grade II-placed 4-year-old filly by Mo Town. Consigned by ELiTE, agent, she is out of Grade II-placed stakes winner Givine (Fr), by Blackdoun (Fr); New Magic (Hip 4213), a 3-year-old colt by Curlin who won his career debut in July. From the family of GI Breeders' Cup Distaff winner Pleasant Home and additional Grade I winner Guarana, he is out of stakes winner and Grade II-placed Magic Dance, by More Than Ready. Taylor Made Sales Agency, agent, consigns New Magic; Reliable Lady (Hip 4206), a 4-year-old filly by Take Charge Indy who Oct. 29 drew off to an 8 1/2-length victory in a Churchill Downs allowance race. Consigned by Taylor Made Sales Agency, agent, she is from the family of GISW Society Selection. Her dam is Precious Humor, by War Front; Saphira (Hip 4207), a 3-year-old daughter of American Pharoah who won her Oct. 13 debut by 2 1/2 lengths. A half-sister to GSW Bellavais, she is out of Grade III winner La Cloche, by Ghostzapper, and from the family of Grade I winners Memories of Silver and Winter Memories. Saphira is consigned by ELiTE, agent; Steel Girl (Hip 4205), a 2-year-old Uncle Mo filly consigned by Paramount Sales, agent. Out of the Verrazano mare Chelsea Market, she is from the family of Grade I winner and sire Collected; Uncaged (Hip 4210), a 3-year-old Curlin colt who won his career debut at Saratoga. Claiborne Farm, agent, consigns Uncaged, who is out of GSW Dark Nile (Pioneerof the Nile); 3-year-old colt (Hip 4214) by Honor A. P. out of Group III winner Stately (SAF) (Joshua Dancer). He is consigned by Green Hills at Elmendorf. To access the sale's online catalogue, click here. The post Keeneland’s Horses Of Racing Age Sale Supplements A Dozen appeared first on TDN | Thoroughbred Daily News | Horse Racing News, Results and Video | Thoroughbred Breeding and Auctions. View the full article -
By Wandering Eyes · Posted
Friday Night Lights sees racing at Addington and Auckland tonight as the sport gears up for its biggest week of the year. Ya Rite Darl will start the night’s shortest priced favourite at Addington which will feature five more heats of the World Driving Championship while Arna Donnelly’s team could well be to the fore at Alexandra Park. Ya Rite Darl tuning up for THE ASCENT at Addington By Michael Guerin A late change of plans will see exciting trotting filly Ya Rite Darl head to Addington tonight rather than tomorrow. Which provides punters with the most obvious of multi anchors for the last meeting at the big track before its biggest day. Ya Rite Darl understandably opened $1.20 favourite for tonight’s Horses Perform Better On Betavet Trot, a race she was only thrown in to as an afterthought. “We were actually going to take her to Addington for fast work on Saturday morning instead,” says driver John Dunn. “But when I looked at the noms for this race we thought we might as well start in it. “She is a very good doing filly so it won’t do her any harm.” That means an extra race for Ya Rite Darl before she takes on the biggest race of her career, the $500,000 Ascent at Addington in a week. While she looked smart last season she has been the big improver in this grade this spring and she would only have to seem to trot throughout to win tonight. Team Dunn takes two other young trotting fillies in Petite Armour and Flying Dreams to the opening race tonight and John says the former is the better hope even after her expensive gallop last start. “That was actually my fault, I let her hit her head on the mobile and she galloped so put that down to driver error,” he admits. “I think she will trot this week and she should be fitter than the other filly (Flying Dreams) even though there isn’t much between them.” The stable has Very Majestic in tonight’s Heat 14 of the World Driving Champs with Michael Nimczyk in the sulky and while the field isn’t intimidating Dunn says she is a mare who needs the right run to win. Away from the WDC heats tonight’s other highlights include an even field of two-year-olds in Race 9 and a red hot debutante in the last race in the well-bred Transonic. Donnelly takes good chances to Alexandra Park By Michael Guerin Arna Donnelly looks set to lead what should be a good night for Waikato stables at Alexandra Park tonight. Donnelly’s New Zealand Cup dreams may be over for this year but the majority of her team are racing well and several find themselves in the right races tonight. She starts the night with the very promising filly Opa’s Girl taking on a mixture of fellow juveniles and older horses over 2200m but the way she boomed home from well back to win over 1700m last start she can win again. Donnelly has two juveniles in Race 3 including debutante Nazare who has won his last three workouts and looks perfectly drawn at barrier two in the five-horse field. His sectionals have suggested he can step straight into race night company without needing to improve much and he was opened just a $1.80 favourite, with the Cambridge trainer’s other rep Ultimate Lad a $31 chance. For a small field though there are a few moving parts to this one, with all three of their rivals having shown enough to upset the odds-on favourite without surprising. Donnelly has the much-improved Final Change in a very even Race 5 but while the three-year-old raced below his best last start his earlier form was very strong in tougher races than what he finds himself in tonight. While $2.80 favourite Words will be hard to catch if she leads any pressure would bring Final Change into the race late. Donnelly rounds out her night with the free-going Dragonstone in the main trot and while off 10m over 2200m if she steps as quickly as she can she could still have a shot at leading and being hard to catch. He will be driven by David Butcher who not only had winning chances with Hooray Henry and You Little Beauty in tonight’s main pace but also a strong book of drives. Butcher pilots talented little trotting mare Miss Bebe who returns in Race 4 and while she should improve with tonight’s race having only had one workout to prepare, she will be a winner before long. Her trainer Rodney Frampton lines up a very promising filly in Soul Artist in the last race on the card. The well-bred daughter of Art Major has won three of her four public outing and the only time she has been beaten was by a subsequent multiple race winner in Tytate back in March. So between Donnelly, Butcher, Frampton and a few others the Waikato looks set to be in for a good night north of the Bombays. View the full article
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