Chief Stipe

No matter how much you promote it @TAB For Ever the BGP model of promotion has a limited life. Cracks are starting to show. I know an increasing number of BGP members who no longer bother with the BGP betting pool but maintain a connection so they join the public stand area that it partitioned off for them. How is the BGP pool a positive marketing promotion for the TAB? Sure the TAB makes a net revenue from it even though the margin after marketing is significantly less than any other product they have. Explain why is it good marketing for the TAB to promote a product that so glaringly highlights, to quote you, that 95% of punters lose? As a group of BGP members said to me it isn't a good look that the BGP has all the resources, inside information and favourable odds a available to it as still loses big? As they said they'd rather have direct control over how they lose their money.

Is that all you have left cynicism and sarcasm? Why don't you start a thread availing us of your past massive contribution to and participation in racing?

So why do you bother? You are so bitter and twisted about the sport probably because of some grievance from the past why bother at all? I'm guessing you are one of these people who talked big but was never very successful in horse racing and is now a perpetual cynic who contributes nothing to anything.

I think they are all interesting. There'll be a riot if La Dorada wins. Must be 50 people in the syndicate at least many with BGP connections. Many first time owners.

Well the fields today at Ellerslie are pretty good.

Yes TABNZ rules say they can but it wouldn't surprise me if the World Pool operator the HKJC has contractual restrictions.

Will TABNZ be allowed to lay off Fixed Odds bets on the World Pool? If they are then wouldn't you see smaller late fluctuations in price? Will be interesting to compare the first 3 races with the last 3 which are the only World Pool ones.

Isn't that one of the reasons Tony Lee was let go? He refused to do selections in the way you described.

Spratt doesn't do what you describe. Prove it.

What about the Jockeys that put the whip forward towards the face but don't touch the horse? It is sort of like when you lead a horse and when they don't go where you want them to go you put your hand up and they go straight. I'm not sure I like the whip forward. Now one thing with regard to the whip that I'd like to see really enforced is where a Jockey goes to whip their horse but clips the face of the horse improving beside them.

Agree wholeheartedly. However I've only introduced one person to racing in the last year.

When that happens it will be the end of my involvement in NZ Racing.

Don't tell @Thomass that's who Sam Sprat learned the technique off.

He only whips @curious's horses.

Might have been compacted. Anyway it's hard to tell what it was like just looking a race video. The Jockeys were keen to continue. What I've seen closeup of some of these slips is that often they are isolated and relate to one horse rather than a wide ranging problem involving a number of horses. If the horse had not become unbalanced it probably wouldn't have slipped. Why didn't the Jockey keep pushing down the outside? Or did the horse duck in? If it hadn't of slipped then the races would have continued. Odds are there wouldn't have been another slip. Again just speculation. If the riders were all in agreement that they could ride a safe AND competitive manner then surely they'd have a better idea than the Stipe? Given the wide variance in skill level and competitiveness where do you set the line? If you set the line too low then you'd never have another meeting on those tight West Coast circuits.

So what's your point? Hardly third tier more like 2nd. The elite are aiming for the Group races leading up to and around the Slipper.

Horses hate strong winds especially at the barriers. Instinct rules over training.

That's interesting. The horse started to turn in before it slipped. Did that unbalance it? The rail was out 7m. I'd say the horse slipped on what was the inside lane for the trial day.

RaceInfoMeetingsMeeting NewsMatamata RC | Wednesday 22 January RACE DAY MEETING NEWS Matamata RC | Wednesday 22 January RACE DAY Race Day Weather: Cloudy Track: Soft 5 (was soft 6) Moisture Meter: Rail: Out 7m Rain: 4.5mm Last 24 Hours | 4.5mm Last 7 Days Irrigation: 10mm applied last 24 hours Weather and Track updated at 2.22pm Wednesday 22 January Race Day Weather: Cloudy Track: Soft 6 Moisture Meter: Rail: Out 7m Rain: 4.5mm Last 24 Hours | 4.5mm Last 7 Days Irrigation: 10mm applied last 24 hours Weather and Track updated at 7.00am Wednesday 22 January Tuesday Afternoon Weather: Overcast Track: Soft 5 Moisture Meter: Rail: Out 7m Rain: 3.5mm Last 24 Hours | 3.5mm Last 7 Days Irrigation: 15mm applied last 24 hours, further 10mm to be applied today Weather and Track updated at 5.00pm Tuesday 21 January Tuesday Morning Weather: Overcast Track: Good 4 Moisture Meter: 34% Rail: Out 7m Rain: No Rain Last 7 Days Irrigation: 15mm applied last 24 hours, further 10mm to be applied today Weather and Track updated at 9.10am Tuesday 21 January Withdrawal Morning Weather: Fine Track: Good 3 Moisture Meter: 26% Rail: Out 7m Rain: No Rain Last 7 Days | No Rain Last 24 Hours Irrigation: Irrigating 15mm Today Weather and Track updated at 9.09am Monday 20 January Saturday Morning Weather: Fine Track: Soft 5 Moisture Meter: N/A Rail: Out 7m Rain: No Rain Last 7 Days Irrigation: N/A Weather and Track updated at 8.39am Saturday 18 January Nomination Morning Weather: Fine Track: Good 4 Moisture Meter: N/A Rail: Out 7m Rain: No Rain Last 7 Days Irrigation: 15mm Irrigation Today Weather and Track updated at 9.45am Friday 17 January Head Stipe - Adrian Dooley 027 601 2997 The following races will remain open until 9.00am Monday 20 January: - MDN 2YO 1200m - R60 1400m - MDN 1600m NZTR in conjunction with the club will look to divide the MDN 1600m providing there are sufficient entries at withdrawal time Apprentice Riders: Ngakau Hailey (a2) c/- 027 828 9311 Ace Lawson-Carroll (a1) 020 4085 1578 Tayla Mitchell (a1) c/- 027 491 1170 Triston Moodley (a2) 021 857 069 Joe Nishizuka (a3) 027 235 8189 Niranjan Parmar (a1) c/- 027 738 9120 Bailey Rogerson (a2) c/- 027 673 2282 Nichola Yuen (a2) c/ - 021 798 881 Senior Riders: Courtney Barnes c/- 027 673 2282 Vinnie Colgan c/- 027 200 2520 Joe Doyle c/- 027 673 2282 Jasmine Fawcett c/- 027 828 9311 Bridget Grylls 027 333 6339 Craig Grylls c/- 027 285 5212 Billy Jacobson c/- 021 147 7378 Vikas Jalalkuncha 021 0812 9795 Marc Lerner c/- 027 443 1175 Kelly Myers c/- 027 738 9120 Tegan Newman 021 171 5703 Kevin Stott c/- 027 673 2282 Sam Weatherley c/- 027 285 5212

Interesting how we get multiple vision angles now of these incidents. No Stewards reports?

The horse slipped (or became unbalanced) NOT fell. But let's watch it from every angle on slo mo.

Surprises me. I've walked that track about 4 times in the last year. The horse slipped but didn't fall. Rather than look at the slip on the track perhaps they should look at something else...

The pattern is well and truly screwed.

He's probably Mr Whippy! Hence he doesn't get to see the races until after the Stewards Reports come out.