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Really? Yet when an INCA race was reviewed subjective opinion determined that there was match fixing and the drama went on for years. The rule is quite clear the driver couldn't do what he did. Disqualified.

Have you seen ALL the video evidence? The stipes will have. Hang on a minute are you saying because some punters screamed loudly the horse shouldn't have been disqualified? The driver knew the rules and had no reason to drop his leg and as said by the stipes touch the horse with it. It was a deliberate action NOT accidental. Peter Chadwick, Chairman of Stewards for HRV, explained the post-race scenario when stewards delayed the all-clear on the race. “Following the running of the race, the Shepparton Cup, stewards did delay all clear. The reason being that the driver of the first past the post David Moran, his right leg became detached from the sulky and appeared to be there for quite a significant point of time,” Chadwick said. “The film was quite evident that the foot did become detached and there was contact with the horse’s hind leg on a couple of occasions. We also believe Mr Moran’s foot stayed in that vicinity of the horse’s legs… “The stewards believed the rule 170 part five should be invoked and as such the horse was disqualified. There’s no part in that rule that actually says the horse can be relegated, it talks about the horse may be disqualified. Race5-NEATLINEHOMESSHEPPARTONGOLDCUP(GROUP3).mp4 “It is a big race, we understand the impact it has upon those involved and the connections of that horse that was first past the post, but equally we have to be fair to all the other participants and administer the rules as they are.”

Uh? I don't believe this. @the galah is advocating for someone who clearly cheated amd broke the rules of racing. Hitting a horse with your leg can accrue a major advantage. Only one option disqualify horse and driver.

Uh? So Grylls hunts Orhestral up 2 lengths at the 800m to trail the leader closer. The leader is stacking them in a sit sprint what is Grylls going to do next? Wait for luck while losing momentum? No if he had hooked back and started to go round them at say the 600m at worst he'd be 4 wide but with clear air and will have put the mares staying ability into play. Although obviously not apparent in race 1 in later races the winners were trucking down the centre of the track.

Two lengths off the leader is pretty handy!! In my opinion Grylls should have hooked back and improved wide. But there aren't many doing that at the moment at Ellerslie.

Here we go another one of @Yankiwi 's fantasy conspiracies.

I imagine the IT systems at GRNZ are as archaic as the ones at NZTR and probably HRNZ as well. At least GRNZ didn't waste over $2m trying to put a new system in like NZTR did.

https://loveracing.nz/RaceInfo/53934/Meeting-Overview.aspx 30 Heats kicking off at 10:30 and not finished until after 4pm. 260 horses in total!!! 2 yr old progeny of: Zonza, Rondinella, Guiseppina and the $2m dollar Avantage filly (Avantaggia). El Vencedor Alabama Lass Captured By Love Age of Discovery Master Fay Move to Strike Babylon Berlin Damask Rose

Never will be resolved to your satisfaction however you let us hear about it for the next decade like the rest of your very limited repertroire!

Fair enough. I guess Gray is as common a surname as Molloy on the West Coast.

What would that have achieved? He wouldn't have got under the leader until well up the straight and the leader was dictating the slow pace. Would have been better in a small field to have pulled back to last and made a run on the home turn and at least made it a longer sprint home for the four of them. Seeing the Roger James interview after the race I think he was genuinely disappointed in the effort and he was searching for something positive to say or rather excuses. But as you know @Thomass weight stops trains and the 60kg is a fair amount of lead to cart around! Hardly a waste. I'm sure the first two placegetters are very happy.

Was it Eddie Gray the runner? If so he is a West Coast Athletic legend. Was third at the World Cross Country Championships. In the same era as Dave McKenzie and Coleman Creagh all horse followers with Coleman being the starter on the Coast racing circuit for a long time. https://athletics.org.nz/legends/eddie-gray/

That's nothing new.

FFS you are as bad as @Yankiwi !! I think this is least of Greyhound Racing problems not that it's actually a problem. The Thoroughbred online database is exactly the same. They keep the information online for breeding and performance tracking purposes. For example I know of a horse that went to the knackers yard about 38 years ago. Probably fed a few Greyhounds. The NZTR database has it as being 47 years old. Tracking horses from the service to the grave is a complete and utter waste of time. Just as it is for Greyhounds done to appease a bunch of woke muppets who say they actually care. Which I doubt they do care. Instead of using a slug gun to shoot yourselves in the feet why not be done with it and use an elephant gun!!

Agree with that assessment regarding the 3yr olds. The 2yr olds are a fairly good bunch.

I'd be interested to know what metric you base that assertion on?

Dave McCarthy wrote a story about it and had Bill Craddock as a part owner of 13 of his wins. In those days racing lease arrangements were common practice and might be where the confusion arises. My understanding was Bill sold the horse at some stage during his race career in NZ. Although that is a moot point too as often it was Bill's wife Marie who owned the horses. As for living in Westort my Grandparents lived in Derby Street just across the road from Patterson Park Raceway. Back to Bill though. Bill was a very big punter and from time to time got into arrears. I'm not speaking ill of the man as his punting was well known folklore. I remember on a number of occasions standing beside my father in the $10 window queue watching Bill emerge from inside the oncourse Tote building after having offloaded on something. Those were the days when you could set a horse for a good punt.

Actually I might have got my horses mixed up which is not surprising when a trotter is written about on the galloping forum. Durban Chief was bred amd raced by W. E. Craddock (Bill) of Westport. Bill was the Mayor of Westport, President of the Westport Trotting Cup and the longest serving councillor of the NZ Rugby Union. Bill often stayed at my childhood home when coming back from overseas Rugby Trips. One in particular was he returned from managing the All Blacks on tour in South Africa. He did have part ownership of Durban Chief. http://www.hof.co.nz/Timeline.asp?Case=6&ItemId=45&AlphaId=3&CategoryId=3 I'm now not sure what the famous horse I saw herding cattle on the road near Hari Hari was. I thought it might have been a famous West Coast owned thoroughbred named Dalray. He won the 1952 Melbourne Cup. He also won his maiden race at Westport. But it can't have been him because he went to stud in Australia unless he retired back in NZ. https://westcoast.recollect.co.nz/nodes/view/23149 So the horse with a name that started with D escapes me at the moment.

What's your point? I think it's time you got another hobby obsession!

I met him just north of Hari Hari. Owned by my Uncle Bill. Who has another claim to fame.

Yeah. The track is a bit off.

It'll be sold out.

I met Durban Chief. On a road herding cattle.

Doesn't matter Orchestral was never going to win that.

Excellent. Nothing to see here. Thanks Chazza.