Chief Stipe

It is easy to argue they do have the weight because of the number of horses they have but they have the same issues. I can imagine the reaction if they did exert their weight and it disadvantaged just ONE small guy once! Rock and a hard place. They only way to exert influence is if you ALL get together and exert influence together. Otherwise the suits hold all the control and power and we can all see how much they know about nothing!! I was privileged to see an update video for a TA horse in work and it was clearly evident the frustration Mark Walker had with the availability of turf track trials a couple of months back. Which takes us back to this thread title - AWT trials cancelled because trainers don't won't to trial their horses on them.

Contrary to what some might say I wouldn't think Te Akau were overly happy with the way things are down there.

So who makes these decisions at the CJC (Riccarton)? There has been so many admin changes I'm not sure how the stake funding works. Surely the CJC isn't bulk funded?

That's disappointing. One less revenue earning horse going round. Probably more than one as you would have had more in the pipeline. What say you @TAB For Ever ? These are coal face problems and they are affecting large numbers of stakeholders.

I think you are flogging a dead horse on this one @curious !

I read they had a pre-tax loss of £842m. As such, net loss for the year after discontinued operations stood at £936.5m, in contrast to the previous year’s £19.5m profit.

ZERO.

It isn't collapsing. Considering the position where she started this season you'd have to be impressed. She is a very good rider and I put her in the same class as OP in terms of getting the most out of a horse without punishing it.

My best return was $1,700 Empire Rose with the second favourite with the field. That was the NZ Cup after she ran third in the Melbourne Cup. They don't make horses like that anymore...I wonder why?

Reminds me of the time I contributed to the Best Bets/Turf Digest form lines. It was a summer between University years and things had been a bit rough. My Dad knew things had been rough and worked out a plan. "Son" he said, "I've been talking to a friend down at the pub and he does the form lines for the BB and TD. Now they have just introduced trifecta betting. I've arranged for you to travel with him over the West Coast, Buller and Nelson circuit helping out with the formlines. I want you to focus on the Trifecta's because they are a new form of bet, which I haven't got my head around yet, but what I do know is there will be good value because most punters haven't worked it out how to find value." So I spent the summer travelling to all the meetings punting on Trifectas - watching every race diligently and having long conversations between races and on the trip home about what horse had done what and how. Footnote: We didn't have race replays on our phones or streaming on our laptops or even on TV those days. The mid 1980's. 40 years ago. Footnote 2: It was profitable for my sponsor and me.

Most of the form comments are bot generated. Quite frankly if you are relying on them to find a winner you are wasting your time. Most pro-punters wouldn't bother reading them. Above average punters wouldn't read them until they have shortlisted their options and found value. They are a waste of app real estate. Aside from the fact they suck a few newbies into losing their hard earned.

ENTAIN had a loss of GBP$1,000,000,000 last year. That's NZD$2.1 billion.

I've long since abandoned reading the NZTAB formguides. Stopped that when they shafted The Informant. The Informant couldn't get NZ form data without paying through the nose for it. It was cheaper to get it from Australia. But I suspect that now we have this burgeoning hardeing of the NZ wagering monopoly the Australian sources are drying up or probably more likely they are not investing in it. I have no idea now what ENTAIN's end game is but I'm not sure they are working in NZ punters best interests.

@TAB For Ever you only have no control if you continue to sit in your lounge drinking soup wearing your slippers and continue to buy into the party line and marketing spin so you can be "mates" with everyone. Whereas I haven't lost control because I stick my nose out and say it the way I see it. For example I recently told a Wellington Racing Club administrator at The Tote (pub in Trentham) after a recent major premier meeting that contrary to his belief (spin) his track was crap. I asked him what was he going to do about it. He argued it was good - I said if that is the case why are you proposing to renovate it? Since then we've seen the iconic jumps racing shifted because the jumps course is too hard. Why? Because they don't irrigate it or even nuture it. Some issue at Riccarton regards of @Pitman's browntop!

So her winning rides on non "hot-pots" should be considered more or less? Given that the "hot pots" are determined by form analyst punters such as yourself. I've seen some of the "hot pots" she has ridden that were beaten and they weren't beaten on poor rides but poor efforts by the horse i.e. they were given every chance and didn't deliver.

Well on a short season due to injury she is doing alright and is improving as time goes on. As I keep pointing out to you - on a short season and she is doing really well on the Victoria Jockey Championships Metro table. I'd have Kah on my horse anyday ahead of Willow!

Seems Kah is getting better and better!

All I'll say is you can run multiple protocols simutaneously across any data link. I know because as IT Manager for a prominent NZ Corporate location for a massive Global Company we were running over 6 different network protocols over the same data link. That was in the 90's. Having worked for Telecom the only constraint in providing novel solutions to simple problems was the intransigence of the Works Managment Team to change their way of thinking. That thinking moved to Chorus. The only requirement is sufficient bandwidth on the data link. Obviously with a fibre connection or a Sattelite connection the that physical constraint doesn't exist. It's not surprising that we still don't have a 1st World broadband service in NZ. Most of the constraints are not technical but commercial based on old school thinking. Not to mention the lever that was used against some Clubs that a requirement to be a racing club was access to high speed fibre connections in order to broadcast HD 4k vision.

You can't exactly say that your opinion is bland, equivocal and neutral.

It would be an idiot trainer if he didn't aim your Preferment colt for the KM 2yr race if it was good enough. Or are you suggesting we will have a KM Stayers Series soon?

So you spend shitloads on owning horses but say you have no control over how that money is spent? I say BS to that.

Don't know where you got that from. I did say I owned a horse that was reasonably successful and went to all her 52 starts.

Who are the auditors? They're negligent.

So that isn't much at all.

Wrong.