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Now do you understand what I mean by Tall Poppy Syndrome @Special Agent ?

Again a very narrow minded point of view. What's the point of the OZ bred comment? Melody Belle performed well in OZ. But of course you leave out a very long list very good horses. But then again you don't take anything NZ's top stables do seriously.

You're generalising somewhat.

Please provide your quantitative analysis that supports your claim.

Says you and Nomates. Wow that sure counts for something...NOT!

Why would they target the Blue Diamond or Golden Slipper? Te Akau have built their business on purchasing yearlings that do well as 2yr olds but go on to win Grp races both in NZ and OZ. The longevity of their horses is quite remarkable. Compare that to Gai Waterhouse's 2yr olds - the most successful Slipper trainer. Not only does she burn through a lot of expensive well bred yearlings to get to the Slipper very few go on.

It's very rare for any owner to make money. However isn’t 1 in 5 black type winners from purchases an impressive average? Any Stud owner who had a Stallion that had a 20% stakes winners would be over the moon.

Of they turn out OK does that make the rest mugs?

Yet you don't respond with any substance. Are you both going to put up or not? I recall a similar thread a year ago where @nomates, @Reefton and you were knocking away.

Name some? Can't be any Joe Bloggs.

How are the Roc De Cambes going?

Really? Ellis has the highest black type to purchase ratio of anyone buying at the Magic Millions. But then @Joe Bloggs for some strange reason doesn't consider that a very good sale to buy from. Of course @nomates neglects to mention that none of the horses Ellis buys are pre-sold I.e. he buys them all with his own finance and on spec.

Ok @the galah why don't you start organising a mental health support group for cows.

Gang related it seems.

I agree. Jockeys and Tracks that's where we should invest ASAP. Afterall anyone can train a good horse. Imagine what the $4m wasted on the NZTR computer system could have done to getting youth into the system.

I assure you I do. From what I've seen most Trainers act as individuals and very rarely get together to organise themselves and what they want and work out how to get it. The Trainers Association was/is a farce. I don't understand it either. From what I've seen the industry is plagued with envy and is its own worst enemy the way you all pull each other down off the track. Then get the system changed! There should be multiple pathways for those wishing to get involved in the industry. Far better for young people to get a qualification from working where their passion is rather than getting no recognition at all. Don't think for a moment that the Racing Industry is special when it comes to red tape - every employer faces compliance costs in NZ - granted some a bit more than others but Racing isn't the worst by any stretch.

No harm in asking or finding solutions rather than barriers.

I don't know "exactly" but I've got a very very good grasp of what trainers are putting up with. I've listened and observed over many years. Then get them on board rather than just relieved them of their own hard earned dosh. You reap what you sow or even many cases you reap nothing because you sow nothing. Why would they when most are trying to cut the tall poppies down. I see the hypocrisy on BOAY regularly.

I didn't say do it on your own but if you don't do something you can only accept what you get. A bit like the local tracks you put up with.

So what? You and @Freda can eat mung beans and drink coconut milk if you wish but to attest that a cow is mentally traumatised every year to whatever extent is cookie bear land. How do you explain that the most fertile time for a mare or a cow is immediately after giving birth? If you don't like it don't drink milk, eat yoghurt, icecream or cheese! I suppose you both find it OK to "break-in" young horses and take them away from the herd? Of course you'd be happy if those young fillies were left in the herd to get in foal at two or those young colts to be banished from the herd. @the galah and @Freda why both having any interest in horse racing at all? Oh and back to cows have you seem what the mother does to the calf when she decides to ween it so she can focus on feeding the next one inside her?

So you don't have pets at all @the galah?

Yes and who will benefit most? Why don't you and some other trainers work together to do something similar?

Then you can't expect to have good riders in numbers coming through. It's always been hard.

Just answer the question.