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Actually I'll revise that. She'll probably go about $950k. Melody Belle sold for $2.6m and I wouldn't put Belclare's value near her. Anyway great to have an opinion and state it. That's open to ALL on BOAY.

Do we really need a Hot Weather Policy?

Should send a copy to @TAB For Ever.

Maven Belle sold for $902k. I don't see her getting more than that. Maybe $600k. I think those talking $1m are dreaming.

Did you pick that up from Sundays sermon? What changes? All we've seen is borrowed money (it isn't coming from revenue) thrown at Stakes. I'll say it again that approach has been tried time and time again. If the Pearl Series (aka FAMIS) is so great why is the foal crop continuing to decline? I'll repeat tell us all what has been done to change the fundamental issues with the industry? Poor tracks, a decline in the skill and number of Jockeys, a crap handicapping system that pushes out the average horse and favours mediocrity leading to a decline in horse numbers. WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO FIX THOSE ISSUES? Aside from closing good tracks for no good reason. All we have to show for it about $100m spent is three AWT tracks no trainer really wants to use and a bastardised hybrid version of a StrathAyr. Not to mention reconditioned tracks that need to be renovated AGAIN and AGAIN. Enlighten us all @TAB For Ever. Don't bother repeating how great the novelty races, the sweepstake races and the high end stake increase are.

Ok then blame the NZTR database as it doesn’t say she was registered.

Walker's big Imperatriz call | RACING.COM www.racing.com Former gun jockey Michael Walker says Imperatriz could be in the conversation as one of the best New Zealand-bred horses ever if she measures up in Saturday week's Group 1 T.J. Smith Stakes (1200m) at Randwick. The 10-time G1-winning mare will be hoping to add another elite-level win to her resume, having won the William Reid Stakes at Moonee Valley last start. "If she wins the TJ up there, there's no horse that's going to beat her ever," Walker said. "Even Giga Kick, she's 1-0 against him, if he comes back who knows, but right now she's the one. "She's definitely up there as one of the best Kiwis in modern times at least too, one thing I'll say is you can only race against what they put in front of you. "There's no other big wigs, particularly in sprinting ranks, in New Zealand right now. "She's done a tremendous job, the team have done an amazing job and the horse herself." Walker says the likely tempo and race structure of the TJ should suit the champion Kiwi mare to a tee. "There will be more pressure early, but then they sit up and then sprint home, which is going to really suit her because her best is when she's ridden quiet," he said. "It's definitely a lot harder that way around, she's probably better the Melbourne way, but she's good enough for sure." Age 5YO Sex Mare Colour Bay or Brown Prize Money $6,834,799 Last 5 1-121 Career 26-19-3-1 1 – 10 M V 23 MAR 2024 1200m $1.70 2 – 12 FLEM 9 MAR 2024 1200m $2.80 1 – 8 FLEM 17 FEB 2024 1000m $1.60 1 – 11 FLEM 11 NOV 2023 1200m $2.15 1 – 6 M V 28 OCT 2023 1200m $1.40

Probably not given the trend has been to fixed odds. I can't remember the last time I had a bet on the Tote. The biggest issue being the amount of money that suddenly appears in the pool after the horses have run 600m. I've long suspected the TAB lays off on the tote. Now if the wanted to revive the Golden Goose (The Tote) again the best thing they could do with the Tote is have real time updating and lower the % they take on each bet iiiowhich would improve prices...I think.

But what has fundamentally changed? The real issues are not being addressed. Throwing more and more money at stakes is just doing the same old same old and expecting a different result. As Einstein said it is insanity. Take the Pearl Series (FAMIS rebranded) - it has been around for decades but what has it done to improve things? In your own words racing is dying so obiviously bonuses aren't working either are they? Don't you see some irony in Saturdays winner of the Group 1 Thoroughbred Breeders Stakes is off to the Gold Coast to be sold as a broodmare? Let alone the fact she wasn't Pearl nominated and only two of the Breeders Stakes runners were!

Group 1 winner Belclare to be offered at Magic Millions By The ANZ Bloodstock News Team Listen Fresh from her historic second win in Saturday’s New Zealand Thoroughbred Breeders’ Stakes (Gr 1, 1600m), Belclare (Per Incanto) will be offered at the upcoming Magic Millions National Broodmare Sale at the Gold Coast. The stable star for premiership-winning trainer Lisa Latta, Belclare will go under the hammer as an exciting racing and breeding prospect as part of the Bhima Thoroughbreds draft on the opening day of next month’s National Broodmare Sale. Following the six-year-old’s 1.5 length win over Town Cryer (Tavistock), Latta said: “It’s been a really nerve-racking day, considering it’s likely to be her last race for us. “The owners have been so loyal, and to go out on a winning note in this race, it couldn’t be better. An 11-time winner and earner of over NZ$980,000 from 36 starts, Belclare was bred by her part-owner David Woodhouse. “It certainly was a great win,” Woodhouse said of Saturday’s victory at Ellerslie. “The biggest thrill of my career, absolutely.” Woodhouse said there was much planning into the mating that produced his multiple Group winner, who is out of the stakes-performed winner Miss Rhythmic (O’Reilly). “Sam Williams told me way back with Per Incanto that the O’Reilly mare cross was working well. So I got Bruce Perry to find me an O’Reilly mare and he came up with Miss Rhythmic and I liked that she went back to Olga’s Pal. “We bought her and at the time Tavistock was firing and we didn’t have any luck with her first foals and the first season she was sent to Per Incanto, Belclare was the result.” Woodhouse believes Belclare will be a success as a broodmare. “She’s not a huge mare – she’s a great style of horse – strong, muscly – a typical Per Incanto, they are nicely made horses. “Belclare is a beautifully natured horse and she will look good come sale time on the Gold Coast.” The owner-breeder said it would be an emotional time for himself, and fellow connections, come sale day. “We will be on the Gold Coast and my wife said she will cry her eyes out! We have never had a horse like her – sure we’ve had some nice horses, but she’s another level. “We still have her mother, a sister at home and also a half-sister in foal to Noverre. I hope she can carry her racing form to the breeding barn.” Magic Millions managing director Barry Bowditch was delighted by the latest addition to the catalogue, which is set to be released shortly. “Belclare is a welcome addition to what will be a remarkable catalogue,” he said. “We will have a catalogue packed with stakes-winning stars and we look forward to presenting them to an international audience.”

I'm disappointed @Brodie you are clearly showing you don't know how a book maker works. If they showed the total book value AND the price you'd have a fair idea what their liability per horse was. They are trying to make money not give it to you!

Eh? Is it only for Clubs that have racedays? Trials don't count?

eh? Foxton in on it?

It's called RACE isn't it?

The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.

How do you know there is only one punter?

Why do you need to know that?

As I said earlier we won about $60k I think.

What do you mean by "much bigger"? More stakes in the sweepstake? Define "much better"? The final may have gone to the "little guys" which is a terrible term but one you choose to use. I'm surprised you didn't call them battlers.

Quite frankly there are very few Jockeys that a Trainer should listen to.

Supermarkets do it by limiting how many items you can buy at a special price.

Why? How would having that information change your assessment of price value?

Yes that was it. Essentially the same thing.

Not bothering with the Tote perhaps but you have no idea what the bookies have taken on Fixed Odds. The Fixed Odds have been pillaging the Tote pools more and more from the day they were introduced.