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So you let them experience pain? Or is the issue racing a horse when there is an underlying condition that hasn't been treated?

Really @Freda we are talking about Horse Racing not the Pony Club. The very act of training a race horse has to cause stress to elicit the physical and mental responses necessary to compete at a high level of performance. That stress involves pain. That's a fact not shit. A trainer has to manage injury prevention and those stresses that cause pain or injury. But if you think that a horse racing at peak fitness doesn't experience any pain even momentarily then you are in dreamland. Post race techniques are all about managing that stress, the inflammation and the associated pain. It might be an ice bath, it might be a walk in the surf at the beach, it might be a dose of bicarbonate to manage the lactic acid build up.

Do you mean Thayne Green? I understand he's very much alive and kicking.

Thanks. What would any answers achieve?

All elite athletes hurt. You train them to cope with that.

Can you give us all a succinct paragraph explaining what this thread is about?

Or he was happy not to punish his horse who was giving everything it could. You don't punish a horse who is putting in otherwise you sour them.

So Chazza you've given up on Dog welfare and race injuries?

Exactly define "vigour"? He should have done a Ben Hope and done a helicopter wave with both arms! What did he gain from coming second?

So treatments to reduce inflamation are a waste of time? An inflammatory response which is closely linked to pain is an early indicator of injury. Long term inflammation can be deleterious to recovery.

Are you asking or saying? Doesn't it have a lower witholding time than bute?

Define "enough vigour". Would a couple more cracks with the whip been enough?

An interesting statistic would be what percentage of trainers have used bute (or any other NSAID) on a horse in training. What is surprising though is that bute still seems to be the go to NSAID of choice when there are probably more effective ones around. Is it a case of the rules and recommended treatments not keeping up with new medications.

Perhaps the diagnosed ailment (diagnosed using all tools available) being treated before the race that returned the positive was different to the pre-onset laminitis which started later. Or there could have been a misdiagnosis by a veterinary professional. I'm sure a reputable stable as you described them would have used every tool available to them. Perhaps it wasn't and the bute was used to treat what was thought to be a minor non-chronic ailment.

DONTTELLTHEBOYS - driver C DeFilippi defended a breach of Rule 868(3) alleging that he failed to drive the gelding out to the end of the race when having a reasonable chance of finishing in 1st placing. After viewing the replays and hearing evidence from Stewards and Mr DeFilippi, the Adjudicative Committee found the charge proved and Mr DeFilippi's driver's licence was suspended from the conclusion of racing on 11 February up to and including 6 March 2024 (7 days).

How do you know they didn't x-ray her or that the foot abscess was in the same foot?

Masking soreness? Or treating it?

The positive was in Melbourne. Nothing to do with the RIB.

The horse obviously showed lameness. The cause unknown.

Oh no another good track mothballed for all the wrong reasons.

Yes but sore for lameness. Which can have any number of causes. Correct me of I'm wrong but laminitis symptoms initially can be confused with a number of potential causes of lameness. Slow onset laminitis does occur.

Bute is the initial recommended treatment for laminitis. It isn't the cause of it as some have suggested. Likely laminitis wasn't diagnosed until sometime after the race it returned a positive in.

I thought the pictures in the RV one would be easier for trainers to understand?

Well that's the end of that Thread!

If RV is anything like the RIB we won't get to see the levels. What time do they pre-race test? Found the attached document. treatment-charts.pdf