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The returns to the industry are guaranteed but profits for ENTAIN are not guaranteed. I don't really see much being done that is different to the past except larger amounts being thrown at stakes so how will profits increase? We know that there is an inverse relationship between higher stakes at elite level and wagering profits! What really worries me is that the pattern is getting further skewed (screwed) and it is undermining the very thing that made the NZ bred horse successful. NSW are going down the same path and cracks are starting to appear. The bias towards horses of the year in the age categories will become further skewed towards those horses that win the sweepstake races NOT necessarily the best horses racing.

Pot Kettle Chazza. Chazza you are quick to post illegally sourced raw data on another sub-forum but refuse to post your own data. Contrary to your fears if your data is accurate and the assumptions drawn from it are accurate when subjected to recognised statistical methods then you are appeasing your critics NOT feeding the sharks. Your failure to post the raw data opens you up to criticism that may or may not be fair. Sadly the end result is your credibility is reduced. Worse contrary to your goal of "saving greyhound racing" you are aiding its demise. Feel free to continue posting your brightly coloured spreadsheet extracts that have no validity.

Here's hoping they fix their website and race replays. Give HRNZ a call they have it sorted. Popups are 15 year old tech.

Fine then you are only interested in your biased agenda rather than dog welfare. If you are confident that your data stacks up then you would post it.

NZTR are disconnected from the Customer. They have only one. ENTAIN has the relationship with every punter. You are contradicting yourself. If NZTR don't understand the relationship between all the stuff they are directly responsible for and wagering then yes racing will be still in the shit. NZTR's CEO saying he doesn't understand wagering nor IT doesn't bode well.

If I was CEO and I had one customer (ENTAIN) that provided all my revenue I'd want to know absolutely everything about their business. I'd also want to know how to make their business more profitable because I win if it is. Now if Sharrock doesn't want to learn he should either step down or let go of his sport agency and learn.

FFS NZTR's revenue comes from wagering. If you outsource that and have no idea about it then well you are destined to get right royally walked over and lose your shirt. What's worse is now NZTR has a middleman clipping the ticket!!!

No he's a dumb dog or a cheat. A smart dog wouldn't attempt to take a short cur that would injure it.

@Yankiwi will you please publish (upload to BOAY) all your raw data. Then other data scientists can review it for its veracity. Thanks in advance.

Maybe they are looking to monopolise the other big wagering brand in NZ - the All Blacks. It is head in the sand stuff for any of the racing partners in this arrangement to not address the fundamentals of making wagering on NZ Racing profitable. I've seen enough over the last 3 decades of the marketing hype and the fundamental issues not being addressed.

Forgot to mention the lack of investment in tracks! IS that in Sharrocks realm of expertise?

The obvious corollary is NZTR and TABNZ outsourced a key strategic function - their IT again is seems without maintaining any internal senior IT management. The end result? 10's of millions of dollars down the gurgler for TABNZ and a $4m failed IT project for NZTR!!!! The first rule of business is NEVER EVER outsource a key strategic function UNLESS you are prepared to acquire internal management expertise and MANAGE the relationship!!!

Thoroughbred Racing's SOLE source of revenue is from WAGERING! (License fees are nickel and dimes by comparison). If you outsource the acquisition of your SOLE source of REVENUE then you need to manage that relationship from a position of knowlege NOT ignorance. Otherwise it isn't a partnership!!! What makes it worse now is there are THREE entities involved - ENTAIN, TABNZ and NZTR!! Just like we smiled for all the Winston taxpayer "gifts"over the years - the $1m races, the new AWT's (that no one really wants), the $56m bailout of the insolvent TAB. Ask yourself this question if NZTR, TABNZ and ENTAIN are on the same page and have a mutal understanding with regard to wagering what happens in 5 years time when ENTAIN aren't making enough profit to maintain the current largesse? Very little of the windfall is going where it should be going instead it is being spent on novelty races that screw the pattern. The majority of the trainers, clubs, owner and jockeys aren't getting sniff of it! What's the bet the big novelty races start getting raided by the big Ozzie trainers under the guise of having bought a yearling at Karaka?

But you're not right and you've admitted that. Remember your one turn vs two turn stats? You're blinded by bias and a vendetta.

A response which clearly indicates you haven't a clue. You obviously spend most of your day churning out meaningless stats to support your biased hypothesis yet can't be bothered, or don't know how, to provide validity to them.

Didn't you bring it up? What about them? You are not comparing apples with apples. Neither of those sports rely on wagering for their income. There are ample opportunities for the best horses to prove they are the best. Why not continue to have time honoured Handicap races that provide an attractive wagering event? Seems to work for the Melbourne Cup!!

What is the expected injury rate for Racing Greyhounds? Globally. What is the standard deviation? What is the rate for each NZ track and its SD? Now rinse and repeat the above by normalising the data relative to multiple variables such as trainer, track conditions, distance, etc. We all await your erudite analysis.

Still flawed. The sad part is you don't know why.

Nup - Hesi is long gone because he was a hypocrite when it came to allowing anyone to post what they wished. You would have been long gone under his type of regime.

Which part? Hesi was never a spokesperson for BOAY even though he thought he was.

@Yankiwi you got an invitation which you've requested on a number of occasions but now are ducking for cover. As for your last post it is incoherent. By the way Hesi has long gone and is pontificating elsewhere not that he had any management say on BOAY.

NO it is in your court. But you don't have the Kahunas to contact him. You're the one making it difficult.

Gai's strong Sandown stance | RACING.COM www.racing.com Legendary trainer Gai Waterhouse believes any sale of Sandown is a “disgrace”, arguing racing bodies should not be selling their “core assets”. Waterhouse says the sale of racetracks will lead to the loss of punters and key industry revenue. She gave the Australian Turf Club similar feedback last week regarding its plans to sell Rosehill, telling the board it should be “ashamed”. Asked for her view on Sandown, Waterhouse warned that racing risks its future by selling its race tracks. “You shouldn't be selling your core assets. I think it's a disgrace. You cannot get those racetracks back,” Waterhouse said. “And they're green areas where people can go and enjoy themselves. People say, ‘Well, move it to such and such, or so-and-so’. You lose your punters. What funds racing here? What funds it in all the states? The punting dollar. “Leave it where it is because people like to go back to where they know. You'll lose that whole punting group totally. Without that money, we can't keep the prize money and all the benefits that go with it.” Fellow champion trainer Peter Moody echoed his support for Sandown on social media on Saturday. “20 stubbies in midnight sat night after a day on the chainsaw. Just saw replay of the great Vo Rogue at Sandown. MRC committee and members please don’t loose (sic) these memories. Save and return to the great days. Best track in the land. Make it work.” When contacted by Racing.com, an MRC spokesperson said: “The MRC has entered into a MOU with Racing Victoria that any closure of Sandown as a racecourse will only occur if it is in the best interests of Victorian racing.” WATCH: Gai Waterhouse has her say on Sandown

FFS in more than one of your posts that's what YOU wanted to do. Gone all soft cock?

Then you are all hat and no cattle. You got the opportunity you wanted and have turned it down. Obviously you have an agenda that isn't what you proclaim it to be.