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I'm not here to waste time educating the ignorant.

Weir in 10 years of training averaged 360 wins a year. Puts his judicial record in a bit more perspective. That's over 3,600 winners all swabbed.

A very poor analogy. My daughter would be smart enough not to go near a KNOWN wife basher. I suppose you wouldn't send your horse to Peter Moody either based on your criteria? Actually there aren't many if any top trainers that would meet your criteria.

In the interests of fairness and rather than relying on @the galah commentary: Darren Weir Inquiry Darren Weir's disciplinary record By Racenet 01:14am • 06 February 2019 Here is the full disciplinary record of disgraced trainer Darren Weir, banned on Wednesday for four years. February, 2019 – Disqualified for four years on three charges over the discovery of jiggers and a charge of conduct prejudicial to the imagine of racing. September, 2018 – Fined $5000 after pleading guilty to making false or misleading statements over the identity of seven horses at the Ballarat trials on October 3. January, 2018 – Fined $500 over the late on-course arrival of Night's Watch at Doomben. The horse was scratched and missed the opportunity to qualify for the Magic Millions. September, 2017 – Fined $2500 after pleading guilty to taking Air Guitar to the Burrumbeet trials when the horse had non-steroidal anti-inflammatories in its system. November, 2013 – Fined $2000 after a security guard arrived at his Ballarat stable to monitor VRC sprint hopeful Platelet, only to find the horse had been transferred to Weir's Warrnambool base without stewards' knowledge. It was the seventh time in five years Weir had been called in by stewards for failing to notify a change of stable for his horses. May, 2013 – Fined $7000 after Doing Our Best returned a positive swab to Frusemide after winning at Ballarat on February 16, 2013. March, 2011 – Fined $500 for using abusive language towards a trackwork supervisor at Ballarat. January, 2010 – Weir-trained Time Matters was withdrawn from a Listed race at Caulfield after a routine race day-stable inspection revealed the horse had been at Jarrod McLean's Warrnambool stable. November, 2009 – Fined $1500 after Lethal Gal was scratched from Ballarat Cup Day after a race-day inspection at Weir's stable revealed the horse was located in a nearby stable of another trainer. February, 2008 – Fined $15,000 after pleading guilty to sending Grey Jeune to the July 14, 2007 Murtoa meeting with an elevated bicarbonate (TC02) level. Grey Jeune won the Murtoa Cup, but was subsequently stripped of the win. May, 2006 – Glebe Run was controversially scratched on the last day of the 2006 Warrnambool May Carnival. Stewards deemed there was a 'strong possibility' the horse had been stomach-tubed. Blood and urine tests from Glebe Run were clear and no action was taken against Weir. September, 2003 – Suspended for three months after he was caught administering a substance via a stomach tube to Kinther King at Rupanyup on the way to the August 8 Murtoa races. October, 2002 – Fined $1000 after being found in possession of stomach tubing equipment at Manangatang races. January, 2001 – Suspended for eight weeks for giving false evidence over the late scratching of Amanda Huggenkiss at Warrnambool. Weir was followed by racetrack detective Peter McMillan into the float car park where Weir placed the horse on a float for 13 minutes before re-emerging. January, 2001 – Fined $1000 for removing Amanda Huggenkiss from the saddling paddock at Warrnambool and for having a needle in his possession.

BGP To Win $1m if Cool n Fast wins Karaka! Got the odds boosted as well. Have Entain removed all betting restrictions? @Brodie you're back in the money of they have!

Where did I state that? I stated that there are markets that work efficiently - EVERYWHERE.

Whatever you do don't search "Drinking Safaris"!

Oh BTW @Newmarket I don't choose the BS ads, YOU do through your online history of site visits and searches. So if you are getting lots of ads for single desperate cougars and single malt whiskey (the two shouldn't be confused) then you only have yourself to blame.

Stuff is worse. What are they scared of? Hell you'd be banned from some local sites with the crap you dish out to the host! 😊

Will do.

Well pray tell us all what we supposedly don't know? That said, I the fool, can see that she has 6 rides out of 8 races today at Caulfield. Riding for Sadler, Griffiths/de Kock, Neasham, Maher/Eustace and even our own Walker/Begerson. 3 of the rides are favourites. I guess you have information that those trainers don't have. Get on the phone! BTW she is currently 4th on the Vic Metro premiership with 18 wins and $3.2m in stakes. Not travelling as much as she used to since the accident but on her way back.

Tell that to anyone who lived under Stalin or Mao regimes. Meanwhile you ignore the fact that China commenced on the path of becoming an economic trading powerhouse after the death of Mao primarily because of the free market reforms of Deng Xiaoping beginning in 1979. Isn't there enough empirical evidence from China to support the fact - markets work? But you just keep wallowing in you ideological bath.

Bollocks. The point I was making was aimed directly at you. You have no concept of redemption, forgiveness or rehabilitation. If someone makes a mistake 20 years ago that's it. Waller classes Weir a training genius. There are many many aspects of racing that could be called inherently cruel. Where do you draw the line? Should all horses run without bits, blindfolds or in harness - hobbles? Should they not be raced until they are 5 or 6 when they stop growing? You enjoy the sport @the galah and you spend many hours a week watching it and presumably gambling on it. You pontificate and constantly look for illegal reasons for the success of some. Training horses is a tough game as @Gammalite would attest and some horses are damn tough to train. Often A horse's strong will (call it an addiction) to win makes them right arseholes to train. Some are super talented but damn lazy - I've owned one of those and may be a jigger in training might have stopped its inevitable journey to the knackers yard. I'm sure you reminesce about the magnificent performances of Lord Module and other champions from times gone by while you quietly ignore the fact that under today's rules and those that some wish to impose on the sport, Lord Module would have never been a champion.

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EXCLUSIVE: Weir ‘had an addiction to winning races': Waller Trainer Chris Waller (left) has called on former rival Darren Weir to “come out and explain” the jigger scandal that saw him disqualified for four years. Pictures: File By Bruce Clark 02:03pm • 25 December 2023 Star Sydney trainer Chris Waller has called on disgraced horseman Darren Weir to "come out and explain" the jigger scandal that saw him disqualified for four years. While much of the industry has shunned the former leading trainer, Waller – along with the likes of Lloyd Williams and Ciaron Maher – is one of a select few industry titans currently sending Weir horses to pre-train at his Trevenson Park property in Central Victoria. "It's such a sad situation," Waller said, reflecting on the circumstances surrounding Weir's disqualification. "He had an addiction to winning races, but he didn't need to do what he did – and one day he needs to come out and explain that, which I hope he does. * EXCLUSIVE: ‘It ate away at me, the first couple of years were very tough': Weir's exile revealed "Look, there probably isn't anybody in racing who doesn't know things like that were going on and had been going on. "He took it too far, he was obsessed with winning and with the pressure of results. "I just hope when he talks that he is understood. People who don't really understand racing in the community will probably never understand, but then if you come out and support him, it's like a black mark. "One thing is that you can see by the people who are supporting him, the respect he has in the industry and what a genius he was, sure – it was a big mistake." Chris Waller (left) and Darren Weir are seen together in the mounting yarn on Caulfield Guineas Day in 2016. Picture: Ian Currie Before Weir's suspension, he and Waller were close rivals for the national trainer's premiership. The last time they were in competition, in 2017-18, Weir won with 489.5 winners, with Waller second on 337.5 but leading the metropolitan tally 252.5 to 207. Weir never completed the following season but still had 265 winners to February when his disqualification started. Waller – who rated Weir "my biggest threat as a horse trainer" – finished the season at the end of July with 339 in total. "He's a genius horseman. I had the utmost respect for him and thought ‘how good is this guy,' and I wanted to know what made him work," Waller said. Waller has up to eight to 10 horses – including 2023 Melbourne Cup runner-up Soulcombe – in pre-training with Weir and he was glowing in his description of how his horses came back to him. "It's quite phenomenal what he does. I'll keep sending horses there (to Weir at Trevenson), I wish I could do more, he's a genius." Darren Weir celebrates Prince of Penzance's Melbourne Cup victory in 2015. Picture: File Waller's support has extended to Weir's family, with his eldest daughter Taige – who Waller anointed as "the next Annabel Neasham or Gai Waterhouse" – spending about six months working in Waller's Melbourne stable. "Look there will always be haters, but a big part of why I'm forgiving is his two beautiful daughters (Taige and Bonnie) – They have had to deal with this as well," Waller said. "Taige could have come here and run a stable living off her name, but she didn't. She just came and worked. "She's a lovely person, a future star, every much in the mould of an Annabel Neasham or Gai, she will be a brilliant trainer when she gets her licence." * EXCLUSIVE: ‘It ate away at me, the first couple of years were very tough': Weir's exile revealed Australian Bloodstock is one of the industry's most prominent syndicators, with Melbourne Cup victories through Protectionist (2014) and Gold Trip (2022). And while they also raced Red Cardinal – one of the horses central to the "jigger case" – that didn't stop Australian Bloodstock becoming one of the first organisations to support Weir's pre-training endeavours at Trevenson Park. Australian Bloodstock's chief Jamie Lovett. Picture: File "Look there are obviously things that have been done that I wouldn't agree with and I don't know the full circumstances, but I'm not going to sit in judgment like others who want to hang him (Weir) out for life," Australian Bloodstock chief Jamie Lovett said. "He's one of Australia's greatest horseman, true and genuine horseman at that, we might be a big industry, but we don't have many like him, and probably none better. "He's been lost to our industry long enough, he's served his penalty and more, so to have him available to prepare our horse is a no-brainer," Lovett said.

Have you been to China and done business? Business there is as far from Communism as you could imagine. Although Xi Jinping is going to try his best at winding back the clock to before the economic reforms. Shame really but great data for showing that free market reforms in a communist country can actually turn things around.

No wonder things are stuffed in that area. Talk about jobs for the old boys. She's been around since Methuselah and had her fingers in the Thoroughbred and Racing pie(s) - but eh let's keep doing the same old thing ad infinitum... it might work one day! I had the fortunate experience of tagging along with a good friend to watch their horse race on Wakefield Stakes Day at Trentham. I was starting to think that Tony Lee had lost it but his commentary that day was spot-on and entertaining even if it must have been hard watching the horse through piles of dirt and rubble!

I'd rather do market deals with the Chinese than many in NZ. They're the oldest traders in the world and are always looking for a deal. That's how markets work.

You really need to ask? At least in NZ you own your house and at the end of your life you can redistribute your wealth to your children or friends. Plus you don't need to start working in a real job until at least age 16.

Of the big successful stables who haven't you thought were dodgy? Illegal? Illegal in the sense they broke the "one clear day" rule by administering something LEGAL 24+ hours prior to the race the horses were entered for. How are you sure it was or is a regular occurrence? You are speculating. Let it go. He wasn't the only trainer using Blue Magic 20 years ago - you don't seem to treat Mark Purdon the same. You THINK they are dodgy based on limited real evidence that they are. The animal welfare approach isn't an excuse. All successful trainers know that a healthy happy horse is a winning horse unless of course they are a Lord Module.

What has she got to do with it? Surely we are past her by now? If she didn't have a good hairdresser she'd be stale!

60 years of sweat and slavery to live in a shoe box...not long after that...an incinerator awaits and your belongings are redistributed. The wonderful world of Communism.

Free markets do exist. Obviously you've never been involved in real word trade. That's a sad view on life. I take it you live alone. Take care of yourself. I'm not a great fan of Christmas myself but not because of the gift giving but because of past sadness and missing people I love. But I try hard not to be a Grinch: