Chief Stipe

None of those were in the first 4....woops first 5.

Yep. Thank you ball boys. Where are you @holy ravioli ?

Yahoo got the double. The first Caulfield-Melbourne Cup double since Ethereal!

I think they will run a fast time today. Strong wind up the straight.

YEP. Especially in the last 10.

But a small trace can mean nothing. Under that standard you could return a positive for any number of things after a night at a pub. BTW you can't recall because the RIB doesn't publish the levels. So rest easy your memory is still OK.

Anyone found the app slow? Cost me my dollar each way on The Map.

I'm surprised they are rated that. Mind you if you don't race often you don't have the opportunity to lose points. Most of them are pensioner's!

In saying that I've always liked exotic bets in the Cup. With every Ma and Pa Kettle have a go you can get some value.

I like Without A Fight. Have a soft spot for Vow and Declare.

What a terrible field for a $150k Grp3 - the Balmerino Stakes!

Are they running a pick 5?

Along with 1,999 others!!! FFS! Exactly!!! So why caste aspersions on Curtain? They didn't know that that was what they were purchasing nor for that matter what was actually in the bottles as they were MISLABELLED!!!! On the basis of what? He has opened himself up to litigation. Aren't you retrospectively applying knowledge that was obtained under investigation? They may have known Fishman but did any of them know what they were purchasing? If they did know then they could have purchased it cheaper somewhere else! So where is the evidence? Who is being dishonest? They may have administered something that was no better than lolly water! Gural is punishing people on the basis that they bought something that wasn't what it was said to be. There is no evidence that they used it or gained an advantage nor that what was contained in each of their bottles was EPO or thymosin. Hence NO AUTHORITIES have charged them and NO POSITIVES were returned. All those charges and convicted were convicted on the basis of committing fraud. Who knows Curtain may have even been duped. There are so many similarities with the Police involvement in INCA.

BUT WHERE ARE THE POSITIVES!!!!!!!!! The drugs identified in the multi-million dollar investigation are easily detectable!!! How many of the 2,000 on the client list were caught using the drugs in races?

Just thinking.....it would have been great to have seen overhead drone footage of Ben pushing out. I'm picking it wouldn't have looked as bad from overhead as it did head on. I wonder if the RIB bunker have added this footage to their arsenal of retrospectively checking races. Imagine the better view you'll get of whip wrist action!

That explains your All Star aspersions and focus. So how does/did Curtain get the stuff into New Zealand? How did it not show up in testing? There were 2,000 people on the list. Doesn't prove anything. You'd be surprised what mailing lists you'd be on!!!! You are looking for something that isn't there. I know the RIB aren't the perfect organisation but given the size of the industry in NZ do you really think they couldn't find something if it was there? However it does give fodder to the likes of @Archie Butterfly to peddle to make money meanwhile discrediting the industry that feeds him.

Yes but on the Turnwald case weren't the levels detected very high? The only way to stop environmental contamination is to continually test ALL staff and restrict access to EVERYONE. I've said it on the BOAY Thoroughbred and Harness forums that environmental contamination is the big elephant in the room given how widespread recreational drug use is. Especially with zero tolerances and the sophistication of drug testing. The RIB and the respective code adminstrations really have their heads in the sand. Gone are the days where you could have a piss on the sawdust at the back of the stable box.

By the fact that you DON'T name names but by inference bring the whole industry into disrepute. The irony is if you aren't using the medications that are available today on your horse then your horse's health is suffering.

Why do they need to make enquiries? Everything is published and the alleged drugs in question are specifically tested for. The bigger question you should ask is what are the connections to the privately owned but industry funded NZ testing Lab. Is that Lab up to date with testing technology? Should NZ outsource more to other international standard Labs and overseas? Is the RIB wasting too much money on pointless investigations like INCA? Why don't they release the full details of the test results for positives particularly in environmental contamination cases? My opinion on why they don't is that anyone with an ounce of knowledge on the subject would know that the levels detected cannot but performance enhancing.

BECAUSE THE VET WAS SUCH A FRAUD THAT THEY WEREN'T EVEN GETTING WHAT THEY WERE ALLEGED TO BE GETTING! It's the oldest scam in the book!

YES. YES. YES. I have read most of what had been reported even the detailed court documents. There were over 2,000 people on the dodgy Vet's customer list. How many of them are in jail for USING these so called PEDS? How many positives were recorded? 6 for none of the drugs that they were supposedly receiving. If anything the 2,000 on the list are victims as they were defrauded and given something that wasn't true to label. Assuming of course that there was actually anything in the stuff.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE STATE THE FACT THAT HE WASN'T JAILED FOR PEDDLING PEDS BUT FOR MISLABELLING E.G. FRAUD!!!!!!

There has hasn't there? Not that we would know because they don't publish the test results in detail.

Bury their head in the sand about what? Some theory that there is widespread drug cheating? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE!!! What FACT? IN THE USA. Where is the NZ evidence? The vet went to jail because of label fraud. Arguably most of the people that bought the snake oil thought it was something else. Where are the positives in the USA for the use of the mislabelled products?

There are all sorts of barriers to overcome to get the alleged drugs into NZ let alone use then without being detected. The details of what they were and who was on the list have been publicly available for quite sometime. Yet nothing has been found in NZ. According to @Archie Butterfly they're sprinkling the stuff on their breakfast cereal out at Woodend Beach. Yet nothing absolutely nothing has been found. Accept it's because there isn't anything to find.