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Really @Freda then why bother training or doing anything with horses? Isn't just as cruel to put bits in their mouths and practically blind fold with blinkers?

Just don't use it. Carry it but don't use it and put a strong rider on to teach it some race manners. As for the article it's nonsense. It mixes up a romantic notion of the horse without considering the 100's of years of selective breeding and partnership with humans. The best horses I've been involved with have been fighters not horses fleeing some perceived danger.

They don't mirror each other at all based on the facts. But then facts have never been your strong point.

But the circumstances around the P charge are quite different hence the difference in penalty and other conditions. But Chazza you just keep on keeping on attacking the industry so apparently have a some concern for.

What a load of emotional claptrap. Why don't we just stop riding horses fullstop and stop forcing then to do something they are not designed for.

The Schofield P case is different to McInerney's. The McInerney dog returned a positive test out of completion. The Schofield dog won a race I believe and returned a positive from the post race swab.

That's good. You can't make money that way.

What odds are you offering?

Where is the inconsistency?

Oh.....so the decision has been published. How did others know before hand?

NZTR and Entain are today announcing a further stakes increase to the TAB Karaka Millions meeting, set to be held on 27 January 2024 at Ellerslie. Stakes increase for Westbury Classic to further bolster TAB Karaka Millions New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing (NZTR) and Entain are today announcing a further stakes increase to the TAB Karaka Millions meeting, set to be held on 27 January 2024 at Ellerslie. The Group 2 Westbury Classic will receive a significant prizemoney boost, increasing from $300,000 to $500,000. The 1400 metre race for fillies and mares has been run since 2006 and has been won by numerous New Zealand racing stars, including the current sprinting sensation, Imperatriz and Champion Sprinter-Miler Levante. NZTR Chief Executive Officer, Bruce Sharrock is thrilled to see further enhancements made to strengthen stakes in New Zealand. “The TAB Karaka Millions meeting has established itself as one of the highlight events on New Zealand’s racing calendar. The meeting not only provides our industry with the opportunity to deliver a world-class evening of racing, but also offers fans the ultimate racing experience. “NZTR has already supported a boost to the race card, announced earlier this year with the addition of an Open Class $1 million four-year-old race, and an increase in stakes to the $1.5 million Karaka Million three-year-old race. We now have a significantly enhanced meeting, and the latest increase in stakes to the Westbury Classic solidifies NZTR’s commitment to driving wagering and participation in our sport. “NZTR has collaborated closely with Entain since the announcement of the strategic partnering arrangement in May. Already, numerous exciting initiatives have been set into motion to take our sport to new heights and we are looking forward to continuing to work closely with Entain as we enter a new era for our sport,” Sharrock said. Entain Managing Director – New Zealand, Cameron Rodger is excited by this latest boost for fillies and mares. “Providing elite racing opportunities for our future broodmares is one of the key pillars we believe is required to supercharge the New Zealand industry and this initiative with NZTR is a great example of that,” Rodger said. Westbury Stud General Manager Russell Warwick also welcomes the increase to next year’s Westbury Classic stake. “We’ve been so proud to be associated with this race since its inception in 2006. The stake that year was $35,000 so to see the stakes reach half a million dollars is a massive vote of confidence for the race going forward. “With such an impressive prize pool on offer, we expect a great field of fillies and mares to line up in January and we can’t wait to see who takes out the 2024 running,” Warwick said. The increase in stakes to the Westbury Classic comes alongside news of a newly established partnership between Entain and ATR. The wagering operator and Club have joined forces to enhance the racing experience for fans at Ellerslie and Pukekohe. This long-term partnership entails the sponsorship of the New Zealand Derby at Ellerslie, which will be renamed the Trackside New Zealand Derby. Additionally, it includes the prominent sponsorship of the Counties Cup at Pukekohe, as well as the establishment of a new TAB Lounge to be built at Ellerslie. “We congratulate Entain and ATR on their new partnership venture. It’s great to see a focus on enhancing our fans’ experience, aiming to attract higher participation in our race days,” Sharrock said. Corporate Communications New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing Contact: Emma Thompson +64 21 071 2929 nztrcommunications@nztr.co.nz

Did she win?

Yep. But you must have them being the punter analyst extreme!

As I suspected In Secret's sectionals overall in comparison weren't exceptional. Very good all the same. The fastest last 600m of the field. Her last 200m slower than her second last which in my opinion would indicate she had used up all her gas. May not have described that very well and looking at the sectionals on my phone stretches my eyesight!

Excellent thanks @curious - first time Google has defeated me.

Then how can you conclude that In Secret finished fast?

How could they possibly be as woeful as Labour? The problem is that Labour did absolutely nothing to address the issues facing this country and many respects cemented them in.

Not necessarily when they run fourth to them. However relative performance is a good indicator and as we debated earlier one judge had her win rated higher than The Everest. Did you analyse the sectionals for The Everest? I can't seem to find them.

Imperatriz 5 Group 1 Wins this year vs In Secret's 1.

The term "very good" is subjective. If you believe In Secret is in "elite company" then you must put Imperatriz in the same category.

So has Imperatriz as well as a few others! Money won and percentage wins aren't necessarily good indicators of form for a specific race. $1.5m of that was from running 4th in The Everest. Imperatriz has a 76% win record vs 46% for In Secret. 60% win record for Imperatriz at Group Level. Imperatriz a $ROI of 160%. In Secret 57%.

It looked impressive but in my opinion she ran to her rating not above it and came to the end of that run a couple of lengths before the post. She hasn't won since the Newmarket in March. Well beaten in the TJ at WFA. Meets Imperatriz on equal weights.

Very good is subjective. The Coolmore she won wasn't an overly strong one and an age group race at set weights. The Newmarket she carried a lightweight of 51.5kg under handicap conditions. She hasn't done a lot since. A plus is she seems to not mind the straight six.

Yes I agree. How to use them is not intuitive at all.