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Fire away. But before you do it if he was injecting cobalt chloride and there is evidence (where is it?) WTF has Hemoplex got to do with anything?

No mention of Cobalt Chloride.

Any losses came out of the marketing budget.

So Smith didn't actually administer Cobalt Chloride intravenously?

The stupid thing about Cobalt is there is no evidence it even works as a PED but heaps of evidence that too much does the opposite!

I think he means Cobalt levels. Hemoplex has at least a couple of sources of Cobalt. B12 being one of them.

Hemoplex Injectable supplementary source of iron, vitamins, minerals and amino acids for horses.Composition Nicotinamide 100mg/mL, dl-Methionine 20mg/mL, L-Lysine HCl 20mg/mL, Glycine 20mg/mL, Iron Ammonium Citrate 15mg/mL, d-Panthenol 15mg/mL, Pyridoxine HCl 10mg/mL, Riboflavine Sodium Phosphate 10mg/mL, Choline Chloride 10mg/mL, Inositol 10mg/mL, Cobalt Gluconate 0.7mg/mL, Copper Gluconate 0.2mg/mL, Cyanocobalamin 150µg/mL, Biotin 10µg/mL.

All well and good but there are modern techniques that make that job easier and less subjective. For example if I felt my horse was fit and healthy but put in a shocker of a run I'd get its bloods done. If I found something was wrong then I'd treat accordingly AND test again. Horses are no different to people they can look happy and healthy but might only be operating at 90%. 10% off at the elite level and you are well down the track. I wonder if PCR and RAT tests will become part of the elite equine toolkit in years to come.

But some are restricted to ridiculously small amounts e.g. $20. Wouldn't it be great if the RIB published the betting analysis from yesterdays Stellar Delightful win?!

The stipes need one of these.

@curious if a horse returns a high Cobalt level AND a normal red blood cell count what is the performance enhancing effect of the high Co?

If, as you have posted, "never taken a blood" how did you determine when to give a Hemoplex IV and what happens to blood counts?

No I haven't. Rather leave IV's for a qualified vet to do. Even then seen one stuff it up in a bad way.

Is there an Iron (Fe) threshold?

I know punters that have experienced where their bet return is limited i.e. is less than the quoted price. They take the bet and the displayed odds don't change but they can't get those odds.

You didn't answer the questions @Joe Bloggs if Smith got 15 years why did Moody, Kavanagh and O'Brien get less? The latter two spending shit loads in court to overturn their penalties. Moods just walked away. As for 6000mg - one Vitamin B injection can do that! The Tasmanian Trainer Rhodes got a 5 year ban after one of his horses tested 19,000mg!

So Peter Moody should have got life? Or Mark Kavanagh and Danny O'Brien shouldn't have had their suspensions overturned by VCAT? Bearing in mind that Smith got done retrospectively as in charged with Cobalt offences for horses that raced BEFORE threshold limits were imposed.

Probably unlikely as the NSW Darren Smith still has 9 years to go on his suspension. Arguably his 15 years was way over the top for the crime especially given more recent cases.

But it happens whether a race is commingled or not. Plus would't you expect the distribution of the Aussie money to be similar to what the market was already?

MEETING NEWS Suspended & Injured Riders Updated at 7.09am Sunday 30 January Suspended Riders: Leith Innes | From the close of racing Saturday 5th February to close of racing Thursday 10th February Michael McNab | From the close of racing Saturday 5th February to close of racing of Friday 11 February Diego Montes de Oca | From close of racing Wednesday 9 Febuaruy to close of racing Wednesday 24 Febuary Lemmy Douglas | From close of racing Saturday 29 January to close of racing Saturday 19 February Lynsey Satherley | From close of racing Sunday 30 January to close of racing Friday 11 February Shaun McKay | From close of racing Saturday 22 January to close of racing Wednesday 2 February Tina Comignaghi | From close of racing Saturday 29 January to close of racing Thursday 10 February Diego Montes de Oca | From close of racing Saturday 29 January to close of racing Wednesday 9 February BB Hong | From close of racing Saturday 22 January to close of racing Saturday 5 February Akshay Balloo | From close of racing Saturday 29 January to close of racing 10 February Ryan Elliot | From close of racing Saturday 22 January to close of racing Monday 7 February Hazel Schofer | From close of racing Saturday 15 January to close of racing Thursday 27 January Injured Riders: Lisa Allpress | Out from 20 Jan until further notice with broken ankle Tegan Newman | Out until further notice Danielle Johnson | Out until further notice from Saturday 1 January Andrew Calder | Out until further notice from Saturday 26 December Liam Kauri | Out until further notice after a fall at Awapuni 11 December Craig Thornton | Out until further notice after a fall at Te Aroha 3 October Gary Walsh | Out until further notice after a fall at Te Aroha 3 October Emily Farr | Out until further notice after a fall at Te Aroha 3 October Elen Nicholas | Out until further notice after a fall at Te Aroha 19 September Barry Donoghue | Out until further notice from Saturday 26 June Chad Ormsby | Out until further notice from Monday 11 January Jordan Bassett | Out until for at least 3 months from Tuesday 24 November Not Riding: Bailey Rogerson | Out until further notice from Tuesday 21 December Sam Collett | Out until further notice from Sunday 17 October (Riding Overseas) Mubs Kareem | Out until further notice from Monday 7 June (Overseas)

Probably but they could still reduce their liability. Still seeing huge reductions in tote prices AFTER the horses have run at least 400m. Anyway $3.50 is a reasonable dividend albeit under's based on form for Stella's Delight. I can understand those in the know hammering the Fixed Odd's but I would have thought the Tote price would have held higher. What was the lowest FO price? What I find amusing is that the low price was spotted well before race time and yet some punters are complaining and going as far as unfounded accusations of doping/cheating. FFS they'll be expecting Stables to publish track work next! We used to love setting a horse for a good old fashioned punt. With an average horse it was often the only way to get a return! Took a lot of skill to do it.

Finally a time for the Desert Gold Stakes - 1:35.88. Faster than the Thorndon. With these sectionals on a D4 La Crique gave the rest no show and would be competitive in OZ.

Another problem is the TAB laying their fixed odds liabilities off on the tote - LATE!

@Enteebee you can call me all the names in the world - I don't really give a shyte. But what I do give a shyte about is you accusing NZ's leading stables of race doping. Show some balls and put your name to your allegations. Not that you really need to as you are quick to beat your chest when your horses win!

Plus eliminate the niggles that make the horse unhappy.