Chief Stipe

Well your "points" are all over the place. Now you are obfuscating. You say thoroughbred stakes are stagnant yet over the last two seasons they have increased. Your mates in the green envy pool agree with you which acrually reinforces your inaccuracy. Your selective purple graphic shows a 13% increase in turnover for Thoroughbreds, 25% for Harness and 9% for Greyhounds. Hardly figures to be derided. Who would have thought that all your doom and gloom anti-racing acolytes would pour scorn on those figures.

It must be hard for those sitting in the stagnant pond counting whip strikes instead of watching their horses race for good stakes.

Nice colours your point? I see you've got the no-brains trust on NZ's Premier ANTI-Racing Forum stagnating. Well done!! I guess for those that lease horses to race oxygen deprived ponds are an attractive green.

I think Curious is predicting it will only be $35m in 3 more years. I just don't know why these doom and gloomers bother getting up in the morning to work their horses.

Well the facts are for the last two seasons stakes have gone up. Hardly "stagnant".

But the quantum paid between last season vs the one before is up. So the industry as a whole IS getting more stake money. Hardly stagnating.

Especially to those that are not winning.

Is this any entirely hypothetical situation where you answered you own question? In my opinion the Landlord of a racing and training establishment that has sublet facilities with shared infrastructure should have the right to access all parts of the property with notification or immediately in an emergency. NZTR should look to licensing such.

Addington Cup and Show Day are now pleasant experiences rather than crammed in fighting for food and drink. Riccarton is still a shyte show.

They are all owners costs. But these things don't worry you anymore as you are on your last wagering funded horse.

But it hasn't happened yet.

So one season no change equals stagnation?

A better comparison than a pub licensee.

FFS are you losing it? You start a topic titled "what's the go?" Then you first post is vague. You second just as vague. Like drawing teeth. Did Tim Mills enter Pam Robsons stables at Riccarton uninvited? You two are getting as bad as each other.

I recall him posting online that if anyone stopped him from visiting his horses pre-race he'd tell where to stick it.

Is that in the rules? Does it apply to Wightman entering the tie ups on raceday?

Well do you think the HKJC can't inspect their stables at any time? Instead of beating around the bush presumably on behalf of a licensed member just post what's happened. Instead of these riddles.

Not a very comparative analogy. For a number of reasons.

Ok so we have established that the "Landlord" is a Racing Club and the training premises are presumably owned by the Club and on Club land i.e. their racecourse property. Now in those circumstances the "Landlord" and Tenant rights and responsibilities are interesting. Putting to one side that the enforcement arm of the industry can enter premises at any time without notice. As the property is soley for the purpose of training and racing horses perhaps the Landlord should be a licensed entity/person (they are licensed to race are they not?) and have rights and responsibilities that transcend the normal landlord/tenant laws. Perhaps that is something NZTR and Clubs could work towards when the Clubs rewrite and re-register as Incoporated Societies.

So it is a racecourse?

Well she has stepped up every time she has been asked and her last 9 wins have been convincing. That field yesterday had 10 Grp 1 winners in it (before Tom Kitten was scratched). She picked them up and dropped them. That field has won over AUD$42m in stakes to date.

Can you provide a link to this post @Newmarket I can't seem to find it on Brad MacDonald's page so he must have posted it in one the many groups you frequent.

I might add Fakebook isn't really a good source of accurate information. Bit like @JJ Flash Can you provide a link to this post @Taku Umanga I can't seem to find it on Brad MacDonald's FB page so he must have posted it in on a group page somewhere.

This is fake news by the likes of it but I wouldn't expect anything else from you @Newmarket. The facts are that then AUS and NZ ENTAIN assets are worth over NZD$2 billion. The "annual loss" that you quote represents an impairment charge that has devalued the assets of the AUS and NZ business. In fact revenue and profit was still up in AU and NZ but didn't match expectations and were affected by the increases in Point Of Consumption charges and other factors that notably affected ALL agencies in Australia. A further charge was put against the accounts for the AUSTRAC case. In comparison BETr had a $14m dollar loss and has an net tangible asset value of $105m. Which is roughtly 5% of the ENTAIN AU and NZ operations. Please read the respective reports attached and come back with an informed opinion. Perhaps it could be a reverse takeover by ENTAIN of BETr!! BETR Entertainment Limited - Appendix 4E and FY25 Annual Report (BBT-AU).pdfEntain_Annual_Report_2024.pdf

She is very special. I said.that after she spanked NZ's 1000 Guineas winner in the Kewney Stakes at the beginning of the year.