Chief Stipe

Why did it take so long for Forsman to "guess"? I guess because he was only guessing.

To be fair Brodie two of those seasons it didn't race much at all. Which would tend to indicate it had problems. Anyone know what they were?

Who is this post directed at?

WTF are you on about?

You on the piss Whiplash? Or tagging for Forbury? If you look back through my posts on Spitfire I've never bagged the horse. Always said he wasn't that far off.

You are starting to have a Thomarse modus operandi. Banging on about your wins AFTER the race.

Rule Number(s): 870 (5) - Lapped OnFollowing Race 1 Stewards lodged a Protest into the fourth placed Sheza Mighty Monarch. Stewards alleged that Sheza Mighty Monarch broke from its gait and was lapped on by the fifth placed Westland Peak at the finish. The Protest was lodged under r 870 (5). The official placings were: [11] Break ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Rule Number(s): 869(3)(b)Mr R Holmes was charged with a breach of careless driving in Race 10. Stewards alleged that Mr Holmes allowed his horse Starkers to strike the wheel of Tad Lincoln near the 400 metres and was in breach of r 869(3)(b). Mr Holmes admitted the charge and appeared at the hearing. Mr Renault stated that approaching ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Yep and in real terms there has been a substantial reduction in stakes.

Doesn't mean they make money.

You narrative is largely fiction and fantasy.

There are not many trainers that make a significant profit out of training. The Thoroughbred trainers rely on their 10% clip of the ticket on sales of horses to get any clover. There is also very little scope to mitigate costs and it will get worse as energy prices rise which will impact on everything - feed, transport, vet supplies etc.

Yes you are right. Bosson is clearly getting singled out. Grossly unfair.

All good Pitty yet another wonderful track presented today at Riccarton.

That's what the official time was. You have different information Pitty?

I agree Gammalite. That last 200m if you want to win you are experiencing more hurt from your lungs and heart than anyone tapping you on the rump. In my opinion the whip action reaction is a Pavlov response. Bit like blinkers really.

There is no evidence that hitting a horse at the end of a race causes pain.

one did

Well they can only "handle it" under the current rules and penalties. Until they change you can't expect the RIU to treat it differently.

That's not the point. Freda I notice you agree so what is your view?

Give me a break! They run 1:09 in the first two maiden races?

That's the key question Gammalite. I know we have had our differences of opinion but I agree with you 100%. It is either allow a whip or no whip. My research and opinion is that there is no evidence that using a whip is any worse that racing a horse over a distance at a speed it is not designed for. I know this will upset a few but it is no different to putting blinkers (blindfold) on a horse. I'd accept banning the whip if you banned blinkers.

But what is the number? If you are going to "live within your means" does that mean Hughes will be paid appropriately less? If the key metric is to only race those that can be rehomed what is that number? Are you willing to accept that number? BTW you still eat meat and drink milk but no one "retires" a dairy cow!

As you all know I'm not really a Greyhound follower. But a serious question in keeping with this Topic. What is the number of Greyhounds required to keep Greyhound racing sustainable? By sustainable I mean enable both amateur and professional Trainers to pay their way. Maybe even allow some to make a profit.

And you're not being disingenuous AND selective? I've never said he "didn't know what he was doing". The difference is he had a horse under him that he knew he could get up and win. That's what good Jockey's do. How many suspensions will arise out of the Golden Slipper at the weekend? There is always at least a couple! Hell when you are only up 2 points in the Rugby World Cup with 5 mins to go a good loose forward like Richie McCaw will venture into that zone of marginal. Yes I can see where you are heading. You are promoting a conspiracy theory that has no foundation to support your agenda. That agenda has been obvious from the start. However you have no evidence just inference and innuendo. Sadly your "broad brush" attempts to incriminate a lot of people including the RIU. As for the Commission of Imquiry into the Erebus Disaster that is a pet subject of mine. It occurred the day I had been informed I had been accredited UE in 6 subjects. A group of us were at a mates place playing pool on his Dads slate fullsize table when the news came through. I had also just started my private pilots license at the Hokitika Aero Club and so had more than a passing interest in aviation. By the time of the Inquiry I had my Pilots License and quite a few hours under the belt. Learning to fly on the West Coast offers its challenges particularly weather. I remember one day arriving at the airport to do some solo flying to see the plane had been chartered out and was taxiing down the runway with 4 people onboard and full fuel tanks. They were going to check their deer traps. They never came back. I was part of the initial aerial search for them. They didn't quite make it over the pass at the top of the Styx/Arahura rivers and flew into the ground. I also remember when I passed my flight test and gained my PPL what the tester said - "Doug there are two things that will kill you when flying beat-ups and bad weather. Whatever you do NEVER do both at once!". I had to ask what a beat-up was and he said that is when you fly low over the girlfriends place to impress her. So the cause of Air New Zealand Erebus disaster was as Chippendale said "flying low into a high terrain area in deteriorating weather without clearly establishing their location." That is a beat up and bad weather combination. Now Justice Mahon identified 10 causes of the accident which if any one of them hadn't happened the accident wouldn't have happened. But what did them media and the public focus on? Mahon's very colourful language describing an "orchestrated litany of lies" supposedly at Air New Zealand management and by implication NZ Government level. There may well have been but that wasn't the cause of the accident, it was a consequence of the accident. If Air New Zealand had accepted ANY liability before a thorough investigation it had the possibility of bankrupting the country. So if the pilots after travelling 3,500km from their last known and verified position (Dunedin) had confirmed their position in Antarctica first BEFORE descending VFR into an area of known high terrain AND bad weather the disaster would not have happened. Basic airmanship. Yes the wrong co-ordinates were a factor BUT should never have been relied on to have been accurate after 3,500km of travel over an ocean using technology that was known to have a margin of error. Hell McMurdo Sound couldn't verify their position. What's more the pre-flight instructions were to NOT to descend below minimums UNTIL they had confirmed their position. Even with the wrong co-ordinates they would have easily cleared Mt Erebus.