Chief Stipe

Geez and you have a go at Brodie for being arrogant! Yes I know how Betfair works. So multiple people laid Colt 31. As I said maybe they thought the price was good value and the number 1 draw was tricky. Again you are matching data after the fact to support your view that the race was fun dodgy. As for you persisting with the 28 second quarter - why didn't the driver of Colt 31 hand up? I agree with Harewood you see a lot of that type of driving from OZ drivers. You only have to compare Natalie with Mark. Kiwi drivers tend to sit and wait and wait and wait and wait.....oops it's over. Colt 31 was never going to sit in the one:one for long. It would have had to have tried for the lead at some stage or sit parked. Either way it lost its advantage at the start and why the driver was so aggressive at restraining it from the ace draw I have no idea.

As I said - what material difference did it make?

Was it one bet? To win how much? Perhaps the price was value and the punter thought the ace draw was a disadvantage.

What material impact did that have on the race? Zip, zilch, nada.

Mikie you are working from the premise that the race was dodgie and someone cleaned up on Betfair. I'm viewing the race based on the circumstances as they evolved in the race i.e. no preconceived view or bias. In my opinion Colt 31 could have tried harder to keep the lead from the draw. What then followed was reacting to evolving circumstances.

Colt 31 wasn't going to stay in the one:one behind a slow horse for long. Someone was going to have a crack 3 wide at some stage.

No I think you are wrong. Have another look at the start Colt 31 could have tried harder to keep the lead. The driver takes a big hold - watch how he slows those behind and then nips off the markers to get one out. Now he was in the one:one but behind a horse that was never going to figure in the finish. So it didn't matter what horse came up on the three wide train Colt 31 was going to come out first and go sit parked. As for throwing in a 28 the leader wanted to keep the lead. The next quarter was 31. Why didn't Colt 31 push for the lead?

So you are saying the leader should have handed up to Colt 31?

I don’t believe it was "beaten for speed" however if it was then that's where it lost the race. Dumb move yes and that's why he got pinged. But did it materially change the outcome? The leader dictated the fast sectional - no way was it handing up to the two outside it. Are you suggesting that Colt 31 was softened up by a horse it easily held out or the leader?

He wasn't travelling well AFTER he couldn't get past Colt 31. Colt 31 held him out easily and it was the leader at the time that put in the quick quarter. Why couldn't/didn't Colt 31 hold the lead from the ace draw? Are you saying Colt 31 was driven deliberately to get beaten?

I'm more aligned to your assessment than the others. Thought the King of the Stars drive was odd but the horse wasn't travelling that well to put the heat on anything.

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Put $50 up spread amongst the first three for a picking competition and you'll get more posters. Often a forum is a reflection of the community thinking as a whole. Times are tough, we have inconsistent Stipes and rulings, shyte starts and many people hurt by a vindictive INCA investigation. So we see that angst reflected in the posts.

Great effort. Probably right up there with one of the greatest NZ sporting achievements. I hope the publicity is all positive. I doubt though that many younger people will understand what it takes to do what CWJ has just done.

Really you think NZTR would brief Thomass? Are we now led to believe that there were no previous notifications either? BTW isn't it a "notification" not a "request"?

In all the races it wore Visors or just the one that it won? Seems Thomaas only noticed after it won. As I said the trainer may have notified NZTR but the system has been incorrectly updated. I guess the new $1m plus computer system will fix it.

Actually is this a system failure as opposed to a trainer pulling the wool? For example has NZTR not updated the records?

What the FBI are in on this? What's more they actually give you the time of day?

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LOL maybe the Judge has indicated he should get his affairs in order as there is likely to be a custodial sentence handed down.

But YOUR point IS?

Your point JJ Flash?