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Which highlights my point that the person in question isn't doing themselves any good.

There is only one person who looks a loser and it isnt Gammalite. As for whether they are one and the same I can't say for a number of reasons. However if you closely look at their styles you will see they are different.

FFS Thomas we litigated that exact same stuff on here the first time you banged on about over a year ago. Move on.

LOL trust me I've had 35 successful in IT and I've tested the speed. Others have complained about it and my testing and analysis has led to the conclusion it is a conflict with the TAB App and the TAB streaming pop out on my Android. Hell I can watch HD movies streaming on my phone without any buffering.

No its not my internet. It is something to do with a clash between the TAB App and the pop out streaming service. As I said above I watched a race via Loveracing in full screen mode and no buffering.

Karrots do you really think anyone who labels THEMSELVES "Retarded" is taken notice of?

I thought so. Some people have no idea of the logistics of organising a race meeting.

I've long advocated that a reasonable proportion of Industry Days (if not all of them) should be contestable i.e. Clubs bid for them in terms of Stake money they are willing to fund above a declared minimum. Although I would do away with the Tiered Stakes concept. It is irrelevant and unaffordable. Group and Listed race stakes should be reduced and a revamp of the pattern undertaken.

Thomass if you keep repeating this "Big Lie" then you will be restricted. No matter how often you tell it it won't make it true. Not only that but we have traversed the in's and out's of that episode ad nauseum and it was over 12 months ago!!!!!!! The only thing worse than Fake News is OLD Fake News. We all accept that you have a literary challenge in trying to express yourself but even your obvious dyslexia doesn't excuse you from quoting the wrong rule. Rule 613 refers to a horse not be able start wearing bandages or sharp shoes! The Rule you are referring to is Rule 916(1) and as detailed in the JCA judgement as follows: You could draw a corollary between BOAY allowing you to speak and the JCA allowing Mr Ellis to speak. The courtesy may be granted but whether anyone actually takes notice to a degree that oversteps the rule(s) is not going to happen. Case Closed - move on.

Funny you should post that at the same time as I was looking at the pool totals for the last race. About $110,000 in the W/P and Exotic pools. I imagine that went up a bit when the TAB did their dump. Unless the Fixed Odds book was HUGE then I can't see how they earnt enough revenue to pay for the $32,500 stakes on offer. More than happy to be corrected on that.

Well if you had a team of horses on the Coast you wouldn't stay at Kumara you would either base yourself in Greymouth, Hokitika or Reefton for the very fact that there is more accommodation, watering and feeding options for man (and Freda) and horse.

OK that explains how the land has never been listed in the asset register in the annual reports.

Well said. Not that it is a positive but there are a lot worse drivers around than Ben Hope and they have had 100's more drives!

JJ and you don't think that others notice how you only pitch up to criticise or undermine BOAY? And you speak of arrogance? Add to that you can't work out why you lost the privilege of the PM function? I think others can work out why. LOL yet you still have freedom to post on BOAY - so I guess some people think I'm kind or stupid!

JJ Flash for your benefit and others the "Report" function is available on all posts. To invoke follow the procedure: In the top right hand corner within the offending post click on the three dots - the drop down menu has an option labeled "Report" - click on this and the offending post will be notified to the Moderator(s). As for your "wise advice" quite frankly I don't take any notice of your advice and as far as I know no one has "Reported" an offending post to a moderator. I don't actually read everything on BOAY.

Retarded it isn't a "proven fact" - it is your OPINION. Rather inelegantly put I might add. You are now on a warning not because of your OPINION but for your fixation on abusing Ben Hope. You have a history of it and it seems that you have a personal ax to grind. I suggest you take it somewhere else.

Since when have you had an "Honest Opinion" JJ? I notice you are quick to post a comment but haven't used the notify the moderator option. I only caught up with Retarded's post by chance.

Well he had to really didn't he. Tim's father owns and bred the horse.

Exactly and that doesn't help it at all - it is a single purpose asset that has no community. However the biggest fundamental issue with Kumara is the track. Now Reefton would know more about this than me and it has been years from when I was on course but from memory Kumara is carved out of the most miserable piece of Pakihi swamp on the whole West Coast. A bog when wet and hard as nails when dry. You'd have to throw a lot of money at it to fix it. But of course we are not worried about the actual product but just the event.

I wasn't referring just to attendance on race day - I was also talking about attendance when work is required and when other community events are being held at the community asset. Being "popular" unfortunately isn't the only factor or indeed a major factor in determining the sustainability of a venue. However you only have to look a the paucity of business cases for each of the AWT's to realise that no one in control of the industry either understands what drives the industry let alone what will sustain it.

Based on what criteria? Attendance - Yeah na. Turnover - yeah na.

Why choose Kumara over the WRC? I know one of Reeftons' beef's is that the criteria for the decision that are being made is not known. It would appear those decision are not made on fundamentals.

You don't get it at all do you? Hokitika always supported Kumara as a RACEDAY. However you completely miss the point. Kumara as a community asset is nothing! It has no community. Your logic regarding it "only being 17 miles up the road" shows a complete misunderstanding of what makes country racing tick. You could apply this dumb logic to Greymouth as Kumara is only 17 miles DOWN the road! The Hokitika Community supported Hokitika racecourse as a VENUE and COMMUNITY ASSET - they won't support Kumara as a Community Asset because it isn't in THEIR community. They also have the sense to understand that Kumara as a venue has serious issues that no matter how much money your threw at it it wouldn't fix it. If you use your logic why would the WRC bother with merging with Kumara why not pitch up to Riccarton and use a couple of the 40 AWT racedays?

I assume you are not talking just about Hokitika people 😉 at Ellerslie! But to quote Cameron George "when you have a good crowd at Ellerslie it doesn't look like it because it is so big and there are so many places to hide"! At Kumara you have nowhere to hide!

No their bed was made FOR them and they chose not to lie in that one. You make the assumption that the strategy chosen by NZTR is the right one however based on their track record to date one could argue that WRC made the right decision with some justification. Please detail what outcome you expected.