Chief Stipe

He didn't commit a criminal act. As for Weir was it ever proven he used a jigger? You didn't answer my question regarding Moody.

The Northland Breeder's Stakes and the Wanganui Guineas are on the SAME day I.e. tomorrow 5 September 2020. Has that happened before? Has the Breeder's Stakes ever been raced NOT at Ruakaka? At Te Rapa (the new NZ gallops headquarters). Has our 3yr old pattern be screwed or is this a one off?

I dont know why anyone would engage with you on the merits of your loony approach to punting. What differential do you apply for wind and temperature to your POST race analysis?

Walker effectively got a life ban for stuff all. I suppose you think Moody should have got life as well?

Look at that it's back again. Magic! As for your PM functionality that is a privilege not a right and has nothing to do with openness and transparency.

I never delete anything as it is an important integrity function. Just as when I was instructed on another site to delete stuff I backed the database up first.

Watch your post disappear and then reappear. Ready, watching?

Ask your mate Comic Dog how its done. Admins have a function that allows them to Hide a post. I can Unhide Whiplash's rants if I wish.

Yes and they have even closed one down - Geelong.

I've just read all these posts and I think I know what set Whiplash off. Another poster quoted a quote in another post and doing that the system attributed the original quote to the posted who quoted it second. Many of you will have seen that happen before. So NO I didn't manipulate someone’s post. The rest of the garbage irrelevant to the Thread Topic I have hidden. As for the assertions made about my apparent compliance with Channel X management while involved with that site the claim is absolutely false. Those that know me well would attest that I dont cower to anyone. As for BOAY being "a cluster f#@k shitfest" - well I disagree it is only what posters make it and in that regard you all get a fairer cut of the whip than anywhere else.

I have absolutely no idea what you are on about.

Are you OK today? I assure you the Chief Stipe doesn't change people's posts. Doesn't even delete offensive one's just hides them.

NO not at all. I was just declaring my potential bias and the fact that I know he is an honest individual. I found the Stipes ruling to be out of proportion to the perceived crime. FFS a maiden trot race with 7 starters - five of which will be lucky to win a race in the next year! At the end of the day where you end up 20 seconds after the start is as much luck as talent. CJ's prime responsibility is to ensure his charge achieves the best final position that it can. In my opinion pulling back to 3 back on the rail didn't do that any harm. Apparently some punter wanted a cut throat head to head race for the lead.

Explain to us all how you interpret this rule? "Improper Driving".

It's like comparing the pre-school 20m sprint with a Senior 100m national final! The only difference is someone has put a bet on! So you backed another horse in the field to beat the first two because you had worked out that they would have cut each other's throat in front?

I agree 100%. The grass track has issues and building another track isn't going to fix that. So they will end up with a sand track that has significant yearly maintenance costs and a turf track that needs remedial work but no money to fix it. Time for Pitty and Mills to grow a pair.

Depends on how big you want the course to be. Tighten the bends and keep the 1,200m straightish run and it would be less in my opinion. I think the course circumference is 2400m. Which is on the large side. Moonee Valley is 1800m and has 4 corners! What's more you would keep the racing close to those on course.

There's just no fucking vision. There's enough land at Riccarton to turn it into a great training centre with an all weather TURF track. As well you could sell up and relocate. Build a Pakenham type complex. Yeah na. We are going to import sand from OZ and spend $10m of tax payers money (plus another $6m from who knows where) on an AWT that punter's dont want to bet on.

2,500 races 2018-19. The AWT'S are forecast to have 1,000 of those going forward assuming no growth (which is a fair assumption). That's 40% of NZ's races on sand tracks that punters hate punting on! Just for a moment - imagine if the $16m (probably more than that) was assigned to building a Strathayr track at Riccarton?

Punters HATE sand tracks. We are going to end up with 3 of them with over a hundred race meetings a year! Thats about 1000 races!

You realise everyone that the sand for the track is imported from Australia?

Ok I'll up my bet to what it's worth. Afterall common-sense goes further than knowledge in training racehorses than IT. But now you are duck dive weaving.

Colin is a relative of mine via the clothesline and I would without hesitation say he is as honest as the day is long. To impugn his character with this silly charge is a sad reflection of where Harness racing has fallen to. Anyone with an ounce of understanding of harness racing would attest that CJ's actions didn't alter the outcome. Stipe decisions need perspective. FFS it was a maiden trot with a field of 7 runners. Five of whom wouldn't have got a start at headquarters if Harness Racing was where it should be. Which one of you "punters" felt you were disadvantaged by his actions?

I remember when my Dad had a horse in the Derby. Dunhill was his name. A very good horse that unfortunately never quite fulfilled his potential due to a knee problem. Ted Lowe said he was the fastest horse he'd driven on his track at Hinds. Timed him to run a furlong in 12 seconds. Ted trained the first horse to break 2 mins over a mile in NZ - Wag (I might be wrong on that). Anyway back to the Derby. Georgie Shand and Borana went to the front and we attacked him one out facing the breeze. We weren't particularly happy with the drive and we asked why did you keep attacking "He was supposed to hand up and he didn't. That's the rule." We pointed out that it was the NZ Derby not a maiden 3yr old trot! Mighty Me won the Derby and Borana went on later to win the NZ Cup at large odds.

Well 18 months isn't "anytime soon" is it? 1 February 2022 to be exact. Hardly putting your nuts on the line. Winnie will be gone before then. There'll be a change in Government in 6 weeks time either a redder one or blue. Neither of those party's support AWT's. Hell the public doesn't support $12m going to a Crystal growing Green School! I tell you what I'll put up a subscription to BOAY, a free BOAY private communication platform for two of your syndicates, free online advertising for any new syndicates and an integrated website for Pitman Racing Stables. That's a total value of over $5,000. That there won't be any races on an AWT before 1 August 2021. What are you putting up?