Michael

Rubbish How on earth would you know that the majority of pinters backed the change?

Not disputing what you say Gamma, but he could have been 55m behind her if she was off the front

No change, no loss

For sure!

1 August 2022 , News Harness Racing New Zealand has today confirmed that there won't be any changes to two of its biggest races this year. "It's business as usual as far as we are concerned," says HRNZ Chief Executive Gary Woodham, "the New Zealand Cup and the Dominion Trot will take place at Addington during Cup week and they will be held under the same conditions as they have in recent years."

No one cares Brodie Of your last 70 posts 32 are about the vaccine and 17 the Government Pergg gf aps if you weren’t so repetitive there would be more than 11 posters

Gamma, it was a rhetorical wuestion Facetious even i was merely pointing out that the ID Final was a FFA

I was trying to re-assure you Mikey , that it has been in general Won by the Best horse on the Day. for hundred years. We did find about 5 champions who only just missed out. I'm not reassured Gammalite, I don't agree Gammalite. I think that Delightful Lady was the best horse on her NZ Cup Day, but Hands Down Beat her with a 15m head start I know !!! bring back the Interdominion Handicap !!! Is the mobile InterDominion Final run from a PBD? Even my beloved QLDer Blacks A Fake and also I'm TheMightyQuinn both dominated the Interdominion Grand Final for an 8 year stretch from 2006 - 2013. 7 wins between them !!! amazing. but that's just too much.!! Really it would of been better for 8 DIFFERENT WINNERS over that time frame of 8 years instead of just 3 Lucky owners IMO. So yet again you're telling me that you pefer that the best horse doesn't win. To be blunt Gamma, you are sounding more like a Communist with every post

I thought that it was going to be enforced way up North but the Club melted in the face of pressure Am I wrong?

Again, I prefer level marks. Others must have to, as it was altered wasn't it? Don't be so thick, you must know all pokie money now goes to fund the RIU or JCA or whatever acronym you prefer Cardigan Bay would be off the Front if he hadn't won one of the "special" races they listed wouldn't he? Or are you proposing a new change based on potential now?

FFS, have a 2 mile Handicap whenever you want You just can't read can you? My opinion, which I'm told we are allowed, is that the Cup should be won by the best horse on the day, not the best handicapped horse. It's pointless debating with morons (you, not Gammalite) because I predict wiser heads will prevail and the ridiculous suggestion made I'm told with no T/O analysis to back it up will be quietly shelved To look at specifics, do you think a Miracle Mile winner and a NZ FFA winner deserve a 10m head start from a Messenger winner? Because that's the scaenario as proposed

It's completely natural

Yes it is, but quoting one-off quirks do little to enhance your ideas Let's just leave it shall we, because you aren't adding anything new In fact all you look like you're doing is disagreeing with me, a bit like you accuse me of doing with Brodie I think the Cup should be won by the best horse(s) off level marks, and I care that the 3 best horses in Australasia start in the Cup Gammalite disagrees and thinks there should be handicaps so every horse can have a turn and he doesn't think anyone cares if the 3 best horses don't line up in the Cup

No, every horse should be a chance in some races Not the Cups They are to "find the best", not to hand out like Ribbons (to quote Copy That's Trainer)

Have to disagree again sorry Gammalite Firstly, I'm not confused, I jest, ok? Secondly I wouldn't take them on either but I still don't think the answer is to penalise the better horses in what is effectively thw NZ Championships over 2 miles. I mean, we don't penalise the Crusaders do we? Yes, the majority can be wrong because those voting are users of social media sites like this one so they are probably all Australians or the more thicker Kiwis (including me)

But this proposal isn’t a Handicap based on a horse’s overall record is it? Its not even a Handicap where the Handicapper has any input is it? Its merely a set penalty for winning certain races, and the stupid thing is a Messenger winner gets a penalty whereas a Miracle Mile winner and a NZ FFA winner don’t (yes I know you feel the distance of said races is a factor) As you have stayed we are allowed our opinions and mine is the Cup should bot be a Handicap Im surprised you didn’t get the job but you’re confusing me, one post says you don’t smoke weed and this post says you smoked too much

No I don’t know, that’s why I said “if” No I’m not

ANSWER 4. I don't smoke weed. You making Stuff up again to assassinate character ? As you have said, develop a sense of humour ANSWER 1. myself ONLY said 'CUP class horses' should be in the Nz Cup . YOU used the word 'average' . Not me . you making stuff up again ?. Given the Ratings spread last year do you really think they are all "Cup" horses? ANSWER 3. I always make Sense mate. That's a matter of opinion isn't it? ANSWER 4. Majestic Cruiser should be Off the Front IN MY OPINION (am I allowed one anymore???) he hasn't won a 3200m stand. So if a horse wins an Auckland Cup over 2700m Stand he wouldn't get a penalty according to you, because he hasn't won a 3200m Stand? ANSWER 2. Once again I am saying they should be on 10m for winning Previous Nz Cups (or Rowe Cups or Dominion Hcap or AKLD Cups . TALK About Repetitive lol. This gives a Level Playing Field to ALL runners No, it's not a level playing field You are advocating for an uneven playing field for the Cup based on past performances

No, it's not a level playing field You are advocating for an uneven playing field for the Cup based on past performances

But under this "proposal" he's off 10m While a Miracle Mile winner and a NZ FFA winner are off the Front Go figure I don't drink, but thanks for the thought

I didn't say 10m, it could have been 20m I wasn't referring to the TAC financial postion, I was responding to your call for stakes to match income from betting

This is getting repetitive mate 1. You think that an average horse should be given a better chance to win a NZ Cup by giving him a head start I don't 2. You think it would be ok if the 3 best horses in Australasia miss the NZ Cup I don't 3. You think you make sense I don't (think you do) 4. You think I'm wrong I disagree, and think you must smoke too much weed Can you tell me why Majestic Cruiser (who won the Messenger wasn't it?) should give a Miracle Mile winner and a NZ FFA winner a 10m start? No waffle, just tell me why

Incompetence all around?

That’s the point I’m making The very elite should win the Cup Not a bunny benefitting from a head start If we take your suggestion further then races at ATC should be run for $7000 correct?

Expect a huge back flip very soon I’m told that the Board didn’t even vote on this pie in the sky proposal and that an Employee has exceeded her powers