Michael

Rangatira, that's one of the best! As an aside the proposal isn't for a true Handicap, but Handicaps based on previous Group wins The Miracle Mile and NZ FFA are excluded from the penalty bearing events Mmmmmm I wonder which 2 horses currently racing that that really benefits? I'm sure it's just a coincidence

No, having a different opinion doesn't make something wrong with you. I never said that so please stop mixing metaphors, paraphrasing incorrectly or just making up what I said. I said there is clearly something wrong with you if you think it's a good thing that the 3 (possibly) best horses in Australasia don't line up in the NZ Cup Because I think a hundred year + tradition of handicapping the Nz Cup, AKLD Cup, Rowe Cup and Dominion Handicap should continue ?? Over most of that 100 years did Trainers have the option of easily flying to Australia Gammalaite?

So you hope that the NZ Cup doesn't have SA, CT and Majestic Cruiser in it? (and MC hasn't won a Cup yet so I notice you thoughtfully left him out of your post) It's a bit pointless debating with you then Gammalite, as there is clearly something wrong with you An enthusiast who doesn't want the best horses in NZ to line up in the NZ Cup so some average open class horse has a better chance? Meaning they have to come around the field gives all the field some sort of hope. How can that be a bad thing ? I have answered this I think it's a bad thing because, as has been pointed out, it's not a Pony Club Show where everyone gets a ribbon. It's the NZ Cup where the best horses are meant to meet.

Of course it is only the Trainers of the good horses who will comment Do you think the Trainer of an average horse who is suddenly gifted the chance to win a Cup because the good horses are 10m or 20m behind will pop up and say hey no, don't do this? Get real Galah

It’s not a decision and I predict it will result in an embarrassing back flip

If you think it’s such an advantage Gammalite I’ll PM you Mark Purdon, Jean Feiss, Ray Green, Merv Butterwoth and Jason Grimson’s phone numbers so that you can ring them and share your knowledge because apparently if the conditions are changed to a Handicap then Self Assured, Copy That and Majestic Cruiser will all bypass the NZ Cup Will that help turnover? Will that be good for the profile of Cup Week? I’d say no but that it would be great for the Inter Dominions in Australia. However no doubt you’ll have an opinion and be able to explain why the absence of those 3 horses will actually be good for the NZ Cup

We can agree to disagree You are allowed your opinion just as I am allowed to have mine In all your posts you completely miss my point I am not against Handicapping I am against Handicapping in a race that is effectively the "NZ Championship" Pointless anyway, as I don't think there are sufficient idiots faround for the change to be made I note that HRNZ want to also change the invercargill Cup to a Handicap. Pity it already is isn't it? Sort of proves that not much homework has been done

Gammalite probably thinks that would be great

You seem to be missing the point Gammalite I can see why handicapping gives the poorer horses a better chance so try to comprhend that that is not my issue My issue is the NZ Cup should not be a race where the poorer horse's chances are boosted It is the Cup, it is for the best, the best should win it. If the best horse is too good then great, he deserves to win My apples look like apples Gammalite, the comparison with Usain Bolt is perfectly sane. You can bet on the Olympic 100m Final so why not the analogy?

I will rephrase it Galah I doubt there would be any increased T/O whatsoever I would even think they there might be a reduction due to reduced multi's

Utter rubbish Gammalite In respect of the Pacing races being considered Handicaps I assume that these will not be done in comparison to their rivals, but instead will be set Handicaps based on previous Cup wins Your comparison with gallops is spurious. The best gallops benchmarks are the WFA such as the Cox Plate Why do you deftly deflect the question about Usain Bolt? What is the difference? He was clearly the best and he had previously won the Olympic Final. Why does "being a human" make a difference other than highlighting your reluctance to answer? Catherine MacDonald's comments tell the story, "the best horse still MAY win". It may not too because he may start off 20 meters and go round the field and be beaten a nose by a horse having a "Rondel" run. It's pointless debating with you because you won't answer a question where you don't like your own answer To me the Cups are for the best horses and the best horse, if he's too good, deserves the crown The Cup shouldn't be a race where the result is artificially influenced to give every horse an equal chance which is the principle of handicapping. It should be a race to find the best I doubt that any return from increased betting would even cover the Independent Director's fees the Industry has had foisted upon us You even sum it up yourself (when bucket-loads of champions weren't by being adequately handicapped ???// ?) You are saying that champions who should have won the Cup didn't because they were handicapped out of winning.

So just to clarify it Gammalite You don’t think that the best horse should be allowed to win the New Zealand Cup from even marks? As you have been asked before, should Usain Bolt start 3 metres behind in the Olympic 100 metre Final if he won it 4 years earlier? Should Tyson Fury start 5 points behind in boxing matches?

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And they don't have a perpetual lease Reefrton

Not much point in chasing Nelson Reefton The A&P Association own it and the Trotting Club pay a very high lease figure

What have I been wrong about in, say, the last 3 months Noodlum? At least I could figure out why the All Star’s 2yos weren’t in a 4y and older maiden Unlike you I have met Brodie and away from a laptop he’s quite normal.

Are you Chief Stipe, Noodlum and Brodie?

A wild guess The Government The Communists Jacinda Betting restrictions

But unfortunately Brodie’s lunacy and irrational postings overshadow the odd time he’s correct Its like lots and lots of monkeys, give them all typewriters, and after a while one of them will write a novel However you keep riding to his rescue Chief and sucking up to him You’re not really Brodie yourself are you? Oh no, you’re Noodlum

I don’t know you at all hence I just guessed, but no doubt I’m right

I guess you are a wanker?

I’m not banned from the other site Brodie You’re mistaken

You’re being an idiot Wayne I chose 1992, as did another Poster, because it was 30 years (3 decades in a way) ago in 2002 they were $4500 and I wasn’t involved with the Club Your post merely highlights that you tell porkies, if you had blocked me how can you so accurately ascertain my post? You are full of it and you are hardly ever on the money Average stakes in 1992 and 2002 were less than $9000 As you were told before, get your hand off it Yes Chief, come on in and bat for Brodie now

Hi Hunter We are talking about supporting races In 2022 they are $9000 In 1992 at the Marlborough HRC they were $4000 We aren't talking about the Fillies Heat Brodie used the term "supporting races" Mike

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