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I've used your favourite AI tool "AI Overview Whether there is any "excuse" for human physical violence is a complex question that depends on whether one is looking for a legal, ethical, or moral justification. While advocates and experts agree that there is never an excuse for domestic abuse, intimate partner violence, or acts of power and control, certain, narrow, and specific circumstances are generally recognized where the use of physical force may be legally and ethically justified. Widely Recognized Justifications Self-Defense: The most universally accepted justification for physical violence is to protect oneself from an immediate, imminent threat of serious physical harm. Defense of Others: Similar to self-defense, using reasonable force to protect another person from an active, violent attack is often considered justifiable. Preventing Imminent Harm (Defense of Property/Others): In some jurisdictions, reasonable force may be used to prevent a crime from being committed, such as stopping a burglary or preventing a child from running into danger. Law Enforcement: The use of force is legally sanctioned for police officers in specific, regulated situations to maintain public safety or apprehend suspects. Key Conditions for Justification For violence to be considered legally or ethically justified, it generally must meet strict criteria: Proportionality: The force used must match the level of the threat (i.e., you cannot use deadly force against a non-deadly threat). Imminence: The threat must be happening now, not a past or future threat. Reasonableness: The action must be what a "reasonable person" would do in that situation. Contextual Distinctions No Excuse for Abuse: Violence used to control, intimidate, or harm a partner or family member is never justified, regardless of provocation, stress, or the influence of alcohol/drugs. Retaliation vs. Defense: Hitting someone back after they have stopped attacking is considered retaliation or revenge, not self-defense, and is not legally excused. Philosophical Views: While some, such as pacifists, argue that violence is never moral, others argue that violence can be a justifiable "last resort" to uphold justice, protect the vulnerable, or defend a community. In summary, while "excuses" are often offered to rationalize violent outbursts (such as "I was drunk" or "I was provoked"), these are not accepted as valid justifications for abuse. The only generally accepted, narrow exceptions are restricted to immediate, proportional defense of life and safety." So, NO is the answer...obviously You can make up all the excuses in the 'violence' World...wasting, heat of the moment (after the race is NOT hotm) wife didn't cook her partners eggs properly, et el It's NEVER justified and if you still think it is then i suggest you hand in your counselling badge
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Interestingly I thought he'd changed his whip action somewhat during his losing streak Appeared to refrain from striking his mounts over the head by letting his whip recess into his inside elbow When winning on ULTIMATE HABIT...didn't need to do a thing basically...that horse looks outstanding Then reverted back to type on ARCHAIC SMILE https://loveracing.nz/Common/SystemTemplates/Modal/Video.aspx?v=http%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202601%2fM4_WELL_R08_310126.mp4&i=%2fCommon%2fImage.ashx%3fw%3d565%26h%3d314%26a%3d1%26o%3d1%26z%3d1%26bg%3deeeeee%26p%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202601%2fM4_WELL_R08_310126.jpg&r=Race 8 - MODE TECHNOLOGY SPRINT&rs=1 No only struck the flank on 2/3 occasions once through the gap but also flattened AS's near side ear when striking the neck/head area I'd post the screenshot but as you know I've been BANNED from fee speech Drop me your addy if you want to see the screenshot nastys...but I'm picking you can do exactly what I've done n.b After Kelly Myers finally got charged for whip flanking...she change her whip action Now on a 29 run losing streak she reverted back to type in the last Whip flanking and numerous over the head strikes, flattening ears on 2/3 occasions in a desperate ILLEGAL attempt to win https://loveracing.nz/Common/SystemTemplates/Modal/Video.aspx?v=http%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202601%2fM4_WELL_R10_310126.mp4&i=%2fCommon%2fImage.ashx%3fw%3d565%26h%3d314%26a%3d1%26o%3d1%26z%3d1%26bg%3deeeeee%26p%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202601%2fM4_WELL_R10_310126.jpg&r=Race 10 - JOHN TURKINGTON FORESTRY DOURO CUP&rs=1
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No wonder we still have one of the highest rates of violent aggression if you've been 'sorting it out' with a "long history" The FACT that Mudhoo had maintained his length and another length (the rule) for the entire race, according to stipes, shows Silly Billy was bullying this apprentice in the run Senior jockeys bullying apprentices is rife through the years The race in which Megan Taylor died showed yet another example Before the race senior jockey Chadhoorey asked Denby-Rose what her tactics were (something that should be banned) and upon finding out told her to "stay clear of me" Entering the straight he then shouted her name 3 times...perhaps this resulted in her panicking.. soon after Megan Taylor met her deadly fate with Denby-Rose being charged with careless riding Bullying, riding horses into other horses after the race, striking other jockeys et el ...has NO PLACE on a race course no matter how laissez faire you want to be Silly Billy deserves at least 3 months DQ but he'll probably get 6 weeks thanks to sops like you
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A shocking piece of dangerous 'riding' from Pinn The stipes are as weak as Aussie piss here Should've been charged with FOUL riding after elbowing Fawcett in the chest let alone outside arm I've got very good screenshots of this action but due to the Chief's lack of... ...FREE SPEECH... ...I'm unable to show it after being banned from doing so
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last time I was down there Cromwell was 2 hrs drive away from Kurow...has the Southern Fault defaulted already..like your immoral stand? Did you say this "Reflecting my long history of being involved in 'anti violence men education...'. " perhaps Mudhoo didn't hear Silly Billy? even if he did you're condoning using an animal to attack another human? The race was well over when he rode his horse into another jockey...nothing split about it "anti violence" you aint
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Long story short...Billy Jacobson 'instructs' an apprentice to "not f in come in there"...during a race...rides his horse into the app's horse after the race...app attempts to strike silly Billy..misses..hits Billy's horse in the head...all hell breaks loose in the Jockeys room...in the weeks after, the stress hits the apprentice Ayush Mudhoo and in a weak moment has a spot of Mexican marching substance...phew Mudhoo gets a month off for the assault on silly Billy and 8 months for imbibing with the Mexicans...all in all it's a shit show down Sth and thank the gods in himmel the Norf Island jockeys dont do this stuff “On the 30th of November 2025, at Cromwell Racecourse, Class B Apprentice Jockey, Ayush Mudhoo, did misconduct himself by attempting to strike Jockey, Bill Jacobson, with his whip following the running of Race 8, and by being verbally abusive toward that Rider in the weighing room, in breach of Rule 800(1) and subject to penalty under Rule in 803(1) of the NZTR Rules of Racing”. Both Mudhoo and Class A Jockey, Billy Jacobson (Jacobson), were riding at the Otago Racing Club’s two-day meeting at Cromwell. Following the running of Race 8 on the second day, Sunday 30 November 2025, an altercation occurred upon pulling up. 3. Mudhoo was riding ON FILE and finished 10th of 13 runners. Jacobson was riding UGO and finished 9th. 4. As Mudhoo was turning his mount to head back to the birdcage, Jacobson deliberately rode UGO into the side of ON FILE, with his horse’s nose contacting Mudhoo’s side, the impact causing him to become unbalanced in the saddle. 5. Jacobson made comment similar to “I told you not to f….n’ come in there” and the pair exchanged words. 6. The initial contact is captured on Trackside footage, but then the coverage ends. 7. Mudhoo reacted by attempting to strike Jacobson with his whip, but missed, hitting UGO forcefully in the top of the head area. As he recoiled his arm, he lost his grip on the whip dropping it. 8. Their remonstrations were loud enough to attract the attention of fellow riders and the pair continued to abuse each other as they cantered to the birdcage. 9. While in the weighing room, the pair continued their disagreement. Jacobson told Mudhoo there was no room for him to shift in when racing to his outside down the back straight. 10. The discussion intensified and the pair came together face-to-face. 11. Stipendiary Steward, Mark Davidson, asked both riders to desist, but was ignored. Their language and demeanour became more heated, resulting in Mr Davidson stepping in and pushing them apart. To separate the pair, he directed Jacobson go to the Jockeys’ room and Mudhoo to the Stewards’ room. 12. The Stewards’ review of the race footage did not reveal any breaches of the rules by Mudhoo during the running of the race. 13. A veterinary examination of UGO revealed no injury caused by the strike. 14. When interviewed by Stewards, Jacobson admitted trotting up to Mudhoo, but denied it was intentional, stating that he was trying to stop his horse. He admitted that he “lost his cool” when Mudhoo “got in his face”. 15. When interviewed by Stewards, Mudhoo admitted to trying to hit Jacobson with his stick and accidentally striking the horse after Jacobson had ridden his horse into him. He stated that he lost his temper and went on with it in the weighing room. Conclusion 16. The RIB investigation also concludes that Mudhoo has misconducted himself by attempting to strike Jacobson with his whip, unintentionally connecting with his horse’s head and then continuing the conflict aggressively in the weighing room. 17. Mudhoo has no previous NRI charges. THE VIDEO EVIDENCE: Video replays were shown to the hearing. One replay showed the field pulling up past the winning post after the race. Mr Jacobson’s mount could be seen at the back of the field, some distance behind the other runners, having been the first to pull up, Mr Irving said. On another replay, Mr Irving pointed out Mr Mudhoo’s mount, amongst runners, turning to return to the birdcage and Mr Jacbson approaching. He then showed Mr Jacobson deliberately riding up to Mr Mudhoo, and the nose of Mr Jacobson’s runner contact Mr Mudhoo’s midriff. Mr Mudhoo could be clearly seen to “shift sideways” from the impact. Mr Mudhoo’s reaction was not captured on a replay, but Mr Mudhoo demonstrated to the hearing how he reacted, and added that he missed Mr Jacobson, and struck Mr Jacobson’s mount on the head, he said. Mr Irving submitted that Mr Mudhoo’s reaction was a “normal human reaction”, to strike back. Mr Irving said that Mr Mudhoo was “pretty annoyed” at getting hit by Mr Jacobson’s horse. This was out of character for Mr Mudhoo, Stewards had confirmed to him. Mr Carston said likewise. PENALTY SUBMISSIONS OF INFORMANT Introduction 1. The Respondent, Ayush Mudhoo, is a Class B Licensed Jockey. He is 21 years old and is indentured to trainer Andrew Carston at Riccarton. He has held an Apprentice Licence since the 2023/24 season and has had 169 raceday rides in those three years. 2. He has admitted a charge of breaching Rule 800(1) – Misconduct, following an incident at the conclusion of Race 8 at the Otago RC meeting at Cromwell on 30 November 2025. Purpose of penalties 3. Penalties are designed to punish the offender for his/her wrongdoing. They are not meant to be retributive in the sense the punishment is disproportionate to the offence, but the offender must be met with a punishment. 4. In a racing context, it is extremely important that a penalty has the effect of deterring others from committing similar offences. 5. A penalty should also reflect the disapproval of the Committee for the type of offending in question. 6. The need to rehabilitate the offender should be considered. Principles of sentencing 7. The RIB Penalty Guide for misconduct breaches are “fact dependent”. Misconduct can take many forms and in assessing the level of seriousness of the misconduct, any physical violence must be considered as being at the higher end of the scale.
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well NZTR told me 'have patience..help is coming" translate.."the RIB ore too busy/understaffed to be caring much about whip welfare The proof of Matt Bellesty's stated commitment to welfare will be in the next round of whip iterations Will they totally ban the forehand use forward of the saddle and any use between the shoulder/hindquarter.(.just like first world jurisdictions)...which RIB are basically ignoring... What should be done DQ's for obvious cheating...every whip violation counts in a 6 month period...the entire whip length padded...et el
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"marking cards' saying something falsely? I sent 17 communications to various 'stakeholders'...2 ignored them..including you (remarkably you couldn't see the whip wrapped under an ear proceeding on to hugging the eye socket while contacting the corner of the eye..the last 4 you ignored) 2 trainers, whose horses had their ears flattened said they'd "leave it to the RIB to sort" The rest more or less said it's "obviously against the rules and horse's shouldn't be subjected to head contact" end of...so 'mark your cards" right back at ya
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Tell me newy...you know about the 'whip' having received plenty of beatings from moi Get a full load inya face of Sammy Collett bashing the bejus (just as Craig does) out of SCOUSER in the yellow that's yellow belly in your case https://loveracing.nz/Common/SystemTemplates/Modal/Video.aspx?v=http%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202510%2fM2_ROTU_R03_121025.mp4&i=%2fCommon%2fImage.ashx%3fw%3d565%26h%3d314%26a%3d1%26o%3d1%26z%3d1%26bg%3deeeeee%26p%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202510%2fM2_ROTU_R03_121025.jpg&r=Race 3 - ROTORUA RACECOURSE' RACE FOR THE LADIES 1215&rs=1 ..analyse it dressed in your best y/fronts..do you think shes "inadvertently" targeting the neck/head..or doing it on purpose to avoid ' counted whip strikes' just as Craig does It's telling the 3 jockeys topping the premiership ALL cheat Craig and Sammy's wilful head strikes and Doyle...who 'marks ' his target aka flank contact BEFORE a full bore thrashing..that doubles the affect as the horse knows what's about to eventuate In Old Blarney ANY contact is counted as 'verboten'..Sammy Spratt did EXACTLY the same thing as Doyle does before she had another bairn Visiting jockey Dan Stackhouse also smashed Pitman's runner over the head...on the pole and flattening the ear...i have the pictures Do you want them to view...send me your email gorgeous
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Soz editing hopeless This load of old cobblers from Kelly as well though "Ms Myers submitted that, in the context of this being her first charge under the flank‑whip provision, there was no practical distinction between delivering one strike or four strikes to the flank, as she was unaware that her whip was making contact with that part of the horse. She argued that her lack of awareness meant the number of strikes should not be viewed as an aggravating factor on this occasion." Seriously, how long has she been riding horses? And the RIB swallowed this garbage FFS!!
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So very unusual for this highly tuned #1 Jockey to be on such a run of losers...being able to choose almost any mount he's on Is it anything to do with being told by the RIB "listen Craig...we've noticed as part of your 'idea' of avoiding whip counting strikes...you've been bashing your mounts in and @ the neck/head region (which don't count) ...including flattening ears, contacting the pole...et el...so STOP it..RULES OK"?? More than likely he's confused and his brain has completely befuddled his confidence/coordination in the fog of avoiding the head at all costs??
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So poor Kelly FINALLY got 'caught' issuing her punishment on a winner's flank Apparently she's unaware of where her whip's striking "Stipendiary Steward Ms L Selvakumaran presented video footage that, when reviewed in slow motion, showed Ms Myers applying the whip several times in a downward motion in the vicinity of the the horse’s flank over the concluding stages of the race. Ms Myers stated that she had not been aware the whip had made contact with the flank area and that any such contact was entirely inadvertent." Incredibly she then pulls out the IGNORANCE defence "Stipendiary Steward Ms L Selvakumaran presented video footage that, when reviewed in slow motion, showed Ms Myers applying the whip several times in a downward motion in the vicinity of the the horse’s flank over the concluding stages of the race. Hahahaha, even after the HOPELESSLY INEPT RIB has stated "we're in the process of 'educating' these jockeys over the last year" Ms Myers stated that she had not been aware the whip had made contact with the flank area and that any such contact was entirely inadvertent. Hahahaha, even after the HOPELESSLY INEPT RIB has stated "we're in the process of 'educating' these jockeys over the last year" A flank is a flank is a flank wherever a 'jockey' thinks it may be OMFG
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So after almost totally ignoring the 2 two rules..."no flank strikes"..."no use forward of the shoulder' aka the forehand position pointing skywards, bashing the poor sods over the head contacting the eyes, ears, pole, general head region as evidenced by many I've sent the shocking images to Did the recently sent image of CEO NZTR Mr. Bellesty's horse QUELLO DOLCE having her ear flattened x2 in the home straight have anything to do with RIB's sudden change of heart I wonder? Even serial offenders like Leah Hemi, Kelly Myers have suddenly stopped their head bashings...still ILLEGALLY contacting the neck with the non padded section though It was really too much to expect total compliance I guess
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Seeing as it's freaky friday...bumping this to 667 views because the devil's in the detail when it comes to murder! Currently also battling a 'chattering of cockatoos' ffs...whoever made that rubbish collective noun up sure as hell hasn't experienced a cockatoo death dive when a mob of those mofo's get together at 6 in the morning Stone the murdering cockatoo's
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Are you being played? Test your gambling IQ
Thomass replied to Murray Fish's topic in Galloping Chat
Correcto mucho...I was referencing the fact that some pro's take 2/3/4 horses to win which has little affect on such a massive tote pool -
Are you being played? Test your gambling IQ
Thomass replied to Murray Fish's topic in Galloping Chat
Oh shoot, here's moi thinking you were a 'pro'! Is there an edge to be had in other bet types? Chiefy said you took a "million" out of the TAB not so long ago!! Seriously? -
oh when I said "gunja" you thought "ganja"? Close but no cigar...Gunja (abrus precatorius) is part of the Ayurveda medical system with both contraceptive and Aphrodisiac properties! How good is that!!...highly toxic unless one knows wtf they're doing...also known as the Rosary pea So you can count your rosaries at the same time as the firnification (sp??) process...again...HOW GOOD?? Guilt...no guilt...guilt no...et el!
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Still doing the bizzo on the Gold Coast..never ages...talking up a storm..."we need a dictator like they have in China" Dags these businessmen... lets hope he's educated his children to love horses and the partying et el It doesn't bare thinking about having his family disperse his millions into super yachts like Government beneficiary recipient Grey Hart did...what a waste Such bad luck Lance O'Sullivan happened to sit next to Eric Watson on a plane convincing him to invest in thoroughbreds rather than Hart At least Gerry Only married twice...unlike his mate Singo who got hitched 7 times...then sold most of his bloodstock! wtaf?? Good thing about Gerry as well, he allowed his Kiwi workers a better work/life balance of 10 days on 4 days off...thanks to Russell Warwick's idea that the old adage you're "in it for the love of the horse..not to have time off like normal workers' 86 is the new 70?
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So after George Rooke's cheating in the Wakatoo Cup...3 over the limit...then went back to Coventry for a holiday over Xmas We had Aussie Angela Jones fined EXACTLY the same % for being 1 over ..3500!!!! if you please...with the 'amazingly brilliant RIB' commenting "we find this appropriate"..she'd be fair dinky dye SPEWING im picking How can it be "appropropriate" when she made a minor counting error (being a freshy) by one when the obvious cheaters like George (3 over) get the same % fine Not only that but the exalted RIB commented that 'due to the 2nd jockey also being over the limit we find no further penalty for George" What about the 3rd horse who was only a neck away and probably winning if it wasn't for the cheating? FFS Anyway onwards to yet another cheating black type jockey in Matt Cartwright when winning by a neck on SANTA CATALINA Fined 3800!!!! when also 1 over! Actually 2 over...but long story short in NZTR/RIB's convoluted ideas re whip rules ok... if he'd struck 3 times in the last 100M not 4 he'd have paid ZILCH! How dumb and dumber are these 'integrity hogwarts' FFS?? here's the solution Adopt Frano Gallops whip rule...4 stikes only throughout the race...if a jockey cant count to 4...take the entire % riding fee out of their pockets...and the winning owners donate their winning difference to the rule abiding 2nd horse...it's just that simple or maybe just relegate to ENABLE the INTEGRITY of Black Type to remain?? even more simple
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Did moi's eyes deceive me or was the inside 4M off yesterday?? many winners down the outside On a G 4 as well...overwatered and/or overhyped that "it's an amazing track now"??
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It's Wussell Warwick's narrative and guess what?? He sets the agenda...he's the BOSS...and fyi an excellent ex Am rider who knew not to strike his mounts on the noggin Besides...and repeato doso with you So called 'anti racers' are actually pro racing knowing how 'racing' per se has lost the hearts and minds of the hoi polloi Do you really think the industry will get that back by behaving with a 'rodeo anti woke' narrative as you've chosen?
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Moi?? joie de vivre moi! However in life (apart from Trumpeske lunatics) there's always rules...ok? Even 'scrum rules' where in the dark depths non rules based thuggery...da boys will sort it out themselves..thuggery rules ok? And THE industry that requires rules more than ANY other is the gambling industry If someone is cheating...aka Sam Collett...by smacking horses in places forbotten...or using 40% more strikes than the next jockey...beaten a neck Then obviously...that cant be tolerated So if Sammy is smacking some horse indiscriminately over the head and flattening ears, contacting eyes et el ...and Winnie's general public finds out...the narrative is the thoroughbred industry loses the 'social licence' to operate and you'll end up betting on two up in dark alleyways...is that what you really really want?
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Are you being played? Test your gambling IQ
Thomass replied to Murray Fish's topic in Galloping Chat
There you go Shab's given you the answer! They even let you back every single runner to win 5K...enables you to be like Pro HK punters who back 2/3/4 runners at times to fit their 'whatever' profit margins Always remember of course these 'big bets' you see on the telly..winning over the set limits...are obviously long term losers! Or do you think they have 'special' punters they let on for any amount to avoid bad publicity in restricting 'big time players' in the industry...aka mates rates? -
As long as you know the rule "Rule 638(3)(f)(i) provides that in a Flat Race a Rider must not use his or her whip: forward of the Rider’s horse’s shoulder or in the vicinity of its head; Using the available race films, Chief Stipendiary Steward John Oatham, demonstrated that approaching the 100m, Mr Mudhoo was riding his mount out using the whip in a compliant way behind the saddle. He pointed out that near the 100m, Mr Mudhoo put both hands on the reins with his whip pointing upwards, began pushing the horse and in doing so, his whip made contact on at least 2 occasions, with the horse’s head." Collett is THE worst recidivist offender and given free rein to carry out these indiscriminate assaults on our beautiful horse's by the thoroughly hopeless RIB I'll send you those photos which will show contact with the eye (yet again) and 3 ears being flattened in the last few days General 'peaches' involve 'special rides' dont they?..i.e. overcoming difficulties ..shirly not following the rail from the inside draw..hooking one out on the turn...cheating by bashing the horse not only 'forward of the Rider’s horse’s shoulder or in the vicinity of its head; But actually on the head/neck from the "whip pointing skywards" That's a lemon if ever there was one and leaves a bitter taste in horse lover's mouths