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What gives, is nothing sacred anymore? I put a hell of an effort in to post ugly illegal whip piks and doo doo goes and plucks them off this site! Good question then, why was this thread shut down and my IP stolen to continue the debate elsewheres ffs?

it's called 'reality tv' You're in some kind of fantasy world where you think WELTS and ARM ABOVE THE SHOULDER have been manufactured by stealth...weird At least Gavin Jones ex Cop ex head of Auckland CIB has now changed his 'fantasy RIB report' to "5" after reading his mistake on here "After reviewing the films, it was noted that Ms Satherley’s mount finished the race off strongly. She won the race by a narrow margin and over the concluding 100 metres she struck her mount a further five times. Although the additional strikes were not deemed as being excessive nor were they considered to have been a determinative factor in her winning the race, a small uplift, as recommended by Stewards is applied as it is deemed an aggravating factor. Accordingly, a $50 (25%) uplift is applied to the starting point penalty. Note: "It shall not be a contravention of the Rule if a Rider strikes a horse seven times prior to the 100-metre mark and does not strike the horse more than three times after the 100-metre mark. On this occasion Ms Satherley struck her mount five times after the 100 mark. Thus, the reason for the charge." So the sectional times are in and Josh ran 0.05 faster from the 400M to the 200M or a lg nk/1/2L...and 5 strikes...enabled him to be level at the 200M and a further 7 strikes from the 200M maintained a 0.1L win And old mate Gav 'thinks' the cheating didn't make a jot of difference #pfftt

What on earth are you talking about? "this type of image" is straight off the telly with ZERO photo shopping as per Curious posting exactly the same shot I couldn't photo shop a fly let alone a horse...I'm useless at anything tech These REAL piks show the RIB/NZTR are virtual signalling their way into the November 'thoroughbred open day' where multi media will be present lauding the effort of 'horse people' that it's all 'zero pain and total care' When EVERY single race shows a jockey striking the flank of a horse which of course is verboten due to the extreme pain a horse feels on that area Only the RIB stipes have been instructed to ignore this rule...with one only charge been issued in over 3/4 months Wake up

You're right, Neil knows his stuff Especially good at adding form lines like "slower inner' which saves having to remember what the form was on a certain day AI can go to hell as far as I'm concerned Entain's spend has been enormous on talking heads but FORM is permanent...and race form is King..not celebs

I guess so still... been ill for 18 months and 23 yo We have to stop the anthropomorphism in it's tracks though don't we? Mostly, we all love the animal BUT humans they aint While we're at it The next moron who says 'fly high with the angels" after some poor human meets his maker...where absolutely no maker exists let alone a freaken angel.. ...should be made to spend 6 hours watching a speech from that other f'in moron of morons Trump ...suddenly a converted Christian, who flogs off Bibles in his spare time (made in Choina) when asked what his favourite passage is claims the 5th "oh that's a very personal thing and I won't be doing it' F in moron

Interesting...I've lined up the 100M pole and I'm definitely arguing she did 8 before that.. Gavin Jones, ex Chief Auckland Cop, now on the Adjudicative Committee gets it wrong when miscounting 12 Using the available race films, Mr Dooley demonstrated that Ms Satherley struck her mount (JOSHUA BROWN) 7 times from the straight entrance to the 100-metre mark. He added that she then struck her mount a further 5 times inside the final 100 metres. Gavin Jones "After reviewing the films, it was noted that Ms Satherley’s mount finished the race off strongly. She won the race by a narrow margin and over the concluding 100 metres she struck her mount a further four times. Although the additional strikes were not deemed as being excessive nor were they considered to have been a determinative factor in her winning the race, a small uplift, as recommended by Stewards is applied as it is deemed an aggravating factor." So I'm picking Gav agrees with me and it was 8 before the 100M when 5 allowed...then counts the 4 past the 100M...for 12 in total Uplifts a lousy fitty fine for CHEATING...still retains $900 ill gotten gains Funnily enough App Jockey Melvin, using her left arm, strikes @ 7 times up the straight and appears to strike 3 consecutive taps close to the line...not picked up After 121 mounts of outs...Lynsey then picks up another yesterday...when ya eyes in..it's in

I'm not sure...mayyyybe...but instead of close ups later in the day they've gone off to other venues Still putting in the massive effort to instill pain though...from yesterday...note the welt after the strike bounces off

So Lynsey Satherley breaks a 121 run of outs by CHEATING on Joshua Brown in the last Now Lynsey's a hell of a worker and battler supreme and nothing personal BUT FFS...Was it 8 before the 100m or 7...anyway the total was 12 and she's broken the rules big time winning by a snozz How do the punters/owners of MALBOROUGH BAY feel after following the rules I wonder??

So it appears Neil Davis, who used to do thoroughbred form lines, has been replaced or at least clipped by the fickle finger of AI Next minute Entain will be insisting real horses get replaced by robots...to avoid picking up their shit Bev Sweeney last week "it doesn't mention it, but that form line for ______doesn't mention the fact it was 3 wide without cover for the entire race" In fact it said "trailed" Here's a tip Entain The more excuses a punter sees in a legit form line....the more chances of re-investing yet again....or else they'll go walk their dog #falseeconomy

So Lee Callaway lines up to weigh in...nek minute he's off to the latrine and does what he has to do Doesn't weigh in for the punters first 4 bets and Stipes refuse to admit he's sick to wave the weigh in procedure 2nd time in 2 months it's happened...and that's UNFORGIVABLE new rule...hand in your saddle cloth to the stipe watching the Clerk of the Scales and you cant go wrong

How good is Hayley going! A new star on the rise with a big winning smile and great personality Got caught out as most Apps do when easing down her beaten mount before the winning post and got 3 weeks hols!

Great example of the thoroughbred...as they say But seriously, Messara needs to get a grip talking about being "in a state of shock" when talking about a 23 yo horse

Reads a bit desperate to be fear Nothing good ever comes out of Freezing az f Ballarat either But as we know...never write off the Blinker effect!

So apprentice Abdul Najib goes nuts on KOYAMA...decides to CHEAT when he's off the pace 11 strikes before the 100M when 5 is allowed...and gets up to win after a total of 13 strikes NZTR "we're going to follow the international thoroughbred 'trends' on these whip rules" pfftttt...France a max 4 strikes...Britain 6... Outrageously, he cops only 2 Sth island days from the weak as fuck RIB and gets to keep his ill gotten riding fee Pitman's over the moon as well when he gets to keep his CHEATING half as well

Of course counting then having to line up the 100M pole WAS indeed ridiculous...that's what I told Darren at NZTR and they agreed to change to either 7 strikes before the 100M then only a further 3 allowed...also 6/4 split If Jockeys cant count to 10 in total but decide to CHEAT by using 8 before the 100M imho they're doing it on purpose. EVERY sport has rules...especially wagering sport...counting cards in Casinos gets you DQ'd and probably fitted with concrete boots on the way to Davey Jones locker Max Verstappen ( a flawed genius) should've been Black Flagged when deliberately driving into George Russell....a highly dangerous exhibition in a fit of pig headed pique Another flawed genius, Opee cheated the system when swapping pee with another jockey who was probably unfit to ride after taking drugs In Opee's last year of riding he was singled out by Australian journos for his selfish dangerous ride in a G1 there...our Adjudicators said in another charge "Mr Bosson’s record is troubling for a senior, very experienced and prominent Rider. It has to be taken into account also, as aggravating. He did not contend, or seek, any discount for admitting the breach and in any event, none would have been granted, as any defence would have been futile, and he did not express any remorse or contrition" When Matthew Cameron CHEATED to G 1 glory on LICKETYSPLIT in the Sistema he said "it does look bad" then flippantly added "I do have an amazing record though"..he shat all over the integrity of Black Type and thus the Stud Book 3 Consecutive a break then 4 consec in the last 8 strides IS CHEATING Wake the f up

One could be forgiven for losing count of the number of whip cheats since the New Year....anyone wondered why Lily, Tayla and Sam Wynne have gone awol for such long periods? It's a litany of abuse and non compliance with NZTR complicit with their limp wristed response to 'rules ok' For example when Tayla Mitchell abused the whip rule for the 4th time in six months the Adjudicative panel (made up of ex Auckland Region Cop Superintendent Gavin Jones no less) 'suggested' she get help from Noel Harris and the Rider Skills Panel Nek minute she offends again, twice in one day, both 8 strikes before the 100M whence Jonesy akses "Tayla, did you complete your course with the RSP as we advised??" No of course she didn't, you see it wasn't compulsory because the RIB/NZTR don't really give a damn about cheating if Tayla's bad Sam Wynne is the poster child of cheating From her latest rap sheet 'hard talk' "Miss Wynne is due to start a combined 13 national day suspension following today’s racing for breaching the Whip Regulations. The system must send a clear message that repeated disregard for the Rules won’t be tolerated. The Adjudicative Committee is running out of patience for Miss Wynne to improve her whip use and finds an uplift from its previous imposed penalty of 7 days last week, to a 9-day suspension, to be appropriate in the circumstances of this breach." What they failed to mention is Wynne rarely moves from the South and this 'land of hard knocks' penalty only includes @4 days of Sth island racing. Instead of being hard and fining her the 'required 50% of her fee in a Black type race, $75, they let her off!!! I'm not down on females only though Take Brett Murray when winning on Pitty's ALMANAC last month...8 strikes before the 100M when 5 allowed...and close to the line 2 cumulative to get the job done by a neck...would've have been DQ'd in enlightened countries like Britain and France... Here the owners get to keep their ill gotten gains and of course the 'punt' money...who knows, are these 'punters' telling jockeys beat the hell out of it and we'll look after you?? Also, because Big Dave started crying to Oatham about Opee being rubbed out over Karaka weekend, they now split cumulative and the number allowed for aggravated penalties EXPEDIENCE personified right there, no wonder then the EPIC cheating continues on while NZTR/RIB ignores INTEGRITY

Imagine the utter waste of money when so many got rolled out then binned? Good old Tim, bless his cottons, STILL lists the pen reading on his twitts feed while swearing like a trooper when he has to list Soft 5 NZTR thinks they can treat punters with total disregard When pointed to the likes of Racing.Com, where I can click any horse's last 5 starts and the rail position, they scoff Hell, the ignorami at NZTR wont even provide punters with a last rail position for a current meeting "look it up yourselves then eat some cake you lazy peasants"

Interesting....this is what Hunty said before the meeting...giving the punters the 'good oil' "the most recent meeting 3/4 weeks ago where the rail was in a similar position (if you call similar 3m out I guess) the pen was an 8 that day...if you worked off the flat races...jockeys elected to go fairly wide early on with the inside barriers being a slight knock...so working off the previous meeting here...you'll go well when working out the track conditions" FFS..go well go broke... standing nervously alongside is Sweenz who mentions the 3m of new ground..."whether they use that early on or go centre and out from the off'...who the f knows They certainly didn't Maybe they listened to the track manager when Sweenz interviewed him " that 3M of new ground, use that early??...."yea na...they'll be heading straight out to the middle of the track and getting wider mate' And they wonder why Kiwi punters have buggered off to the Maldives for the winter I've been banging on for years about the appalling lack of information NZTR 'provide' Not even a last meeting rail position when giving us b/s moisture readings which have ZERO relevance to pen readings and the numerical system The suits then thought we should adopt the bullshit Oz track ratings which now include an EXTRA Heavy rating...so 3 instead of 2 previously...where 1 and 2 still exist even though it's never used....while 11 and even 12 (according to a Jock at Rotorua last time there) is not allowed to be used....God in Himmell Correct moi if I'm wrong but don't punters HATE gambling on Heavy tracks?? So why would NZTR provide another level of 'dont bet'?? The poor Ockers could be forgiven for thinking its ALWAYS raining in Kiwiland...especially in Auckland where the track is always SOFT As Guerin, Tim Mills and Butch Castles keep saying "labelling a track a SOFT 5 is absolute fucking nonsense" hear fucking hear

How could the Jumping Association reps pass those Steeple 'fences'? One could plainly see on Trackside horses landing on an incline rising from from the base of the fence first law of physics Something about a uniform motion will stay that way unless an external force...read unlevel ground...catapults 2 jockeys into the air like a shanghi after said horse's placement of front feet results in "four horses landing awkwardly"

"raced fair" Raced fear actually That's what happens when you give leaders 3M of fresh ground to run on though Jonathan Kevin Bamber Riddell "the track was rubbish outside 3M" Old mate Bamber knows a thing or two

Oh cmon @Chief Stipe we're all adults here! Well most are... It's spelt greek not Greek..I'd have thought you'd known that!

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Still have a very big Face Book following Even have a slot on The leg Up Interesting TLU boys, Stephen Hunt, Popplewell list their ROI's and %'s Both doing very well in the new season BGP have @4 tipsters including Andy Lacy aka self titled GOAT...lol Kemey's tipping is problematic imho...they simply dont bother with any ROI's etc