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This is as accepted in the Industry as the term HOLDING is chef You don't have to have had a COG moment to pop up with this gem

Why aren't you addressing your MASSIVE CONTADICTORY position? You can't have it both ways...unless you're an hermaphrodite... Either the Mares 0.5kg makes a difference..as you claim... ...or " weight makes no difference" as you claim Each way all day or whichever way the wind blows is it?

Do you actually listen/watch anything at all on race days...or are you being dragged around Reemers K Mart by the princess? Of course he was 'in form'...3L from the winner albeit in a lower grade...on "unsuitable HOLDING ground" ( trainer's words) 3 days before... the trainer said " yes very happy with the last start on an unsuitable track and I knew it was going to rain so I decided to start" BTW why didn't you demand evidence from Turns about the 5 k claim...who got totally screwed at 24's when 51 was available ...and you think that's good shopping? K Mart it wasn't next

Yes what a breath of fresh air he is...not from a family horse background either moon? Love to see POA do it and then come down on a high.. Heres some interesting KPI's for the Ebor...who knew WEIGHT had such an influence on the race? Run over 1m6f the Betfred-sponsored Ebor Handicap is open to horses aged 3 or older and is run at York racecourse in August at their 4-day Ebor Festival Meeting. We’ve only seen one winning favourite land the prize in the last 20 years, so be wary of the market leaders, while with 16 of the last 17 winners were aged 6 or younger then you might want to avoid any older horses in the race. We look back at past winners and give you the key trends ahead of Europe’s most valuable flat handicap race – run this year on Saturday August 24th 2019. Key Ebor Handicap Betting Trends 16/17 – Carried 9-4 or less 16/17 – Aged 6 or younger 14/17 – Won from a double-figure stall 14/17 – Had won over at least 1m4f before 12/17 – Carried 9-1 or less 12/17 – Aged either 4 or 5 years-old 11/17 – Winning Distance – 1 length or less 10/17 – Had 3 or more runs already that season 9/17 – Unplaced favourites 8/17 – Had run at York before 5/17 – Ran at Ascot last time out 5/17 – Won last time out 4/17 – Irish-trained winners (4 of the last 9) 4/17 – Ran at Goodwood last time out 3/17 – Ran at Galway last time out 2/17 – Ridden by Jamie Spencer 2/17 – Placed horses from stall 1 (third 2011, third 2013) 1/17 – Winning favourites Just one winning favourite since 1999 Trainer Sir Michael Stoute won the race in 1980, 1991 & 1996 The average winning SP in the last 17 years is 21/1 Past Betfred Ebor Winners 2018 – Muntahaa (11/1) 2017 – Nakeeta (12/1) 2016 – Heartbreak City (15/2) 2015 – Litigant (33/1) 2014 – Mutual Regard (20/1) 2013 – Tiger Cliff (5/1) 2012 – Willing Foe (12/1) 2011 – Moyenne Corniche (25/1) 2010 – Dirar (14/1) 2009 – Sesenta (25/1) 2008 – All The Good (25/1) 2007 – Purple Moon (7/2 fav) 2006 – Mudawin (100/1) 2005 – Sergeant Cecil (11/1) 2004 – Mephisto (6/1) 2003 – Saint Alebe (20/1) 2002 – Hugs Dancer (25/1) Note: 2008 renewal at Newbury over 1m3f So – what are the main stats to look for? Age Concern – We saw a 6 year-old win the race in 2017 and a 7 year-old land the prize in 2015, but the main age trend got back on track last year with the 5 year-old Muntahaa going in. That win meant that 16 of the last 17 winners were aged 6 or younger, while 12 of the last 17 (71%) were aged 4 or 5 years-old, so it should pay to concentrate more on this age range. Quick Draw – With the Ebor being run over 1m6f then you may feel the draw won’t play a big role. However, this is certainly not the case. Having a good early position and not being forced to travel wide around the home bend into the long York straight has been a big advantage. A massive 14 of the last 17 winners came from a double-figure stall – backed-up again in 2018 with Muntahaa winning from stall 21. This will hopefully allow us to rule out a massive 9 of the 20ish runners that are likely to head to post. This draw trend is further backed-up as we’ve seen just two placed horses from stall one in the last 17 years, and 12 months ago the top four finishers all hailed from a double-figure draw. Trip Advisor – I’ve already mentioned the race is run over 1m6f, but having winning form over a trip of at least 1m4f+ is key, with 14 of the last 17 winners ticking this stat. Of course, this trend will apply to most of the runners, but is still something to be aware of. Weight Watchers – Being a handicap race, then weight carried is another factor to note. Yes, last year’s winner won with 9st-9lbs, but a massive 16 of the last 17 winners carried 9st-4lbs or less, so this should still be your cut-off point. Plus, if you want to take this trend a bit further then 12 of those 17 recent winners won with 9st-1lbs or less on their backs – this should help knock out a few at least. Bookie v Punter – who has fared best? Well, the answer to this is a quick one. We’ve seen only one winning favourite since 1999 – while with a 100/1 winner popping up in 2006. Therefore, I think it’s safe to say this is a contest the bookmakers look forward to each season and have dominated in recent years. Oh, if you also like laying horses on the betting exchanges then you might be interested to know that 9 of the last 17 market leaders (53%) have NOT even made the frame (top four finish) – this was backed-up again in 2018 with the jolly only managing twelfth. Fitness First – Having had a recent run seems to count for something too. Runners that had three or more outings that same season have done best. 10 of the last 17 fit the bill here, while 8 of the last 17 winners had previous course experience at York – two more trends that last year’s winner ticked. Plus, with a 9 of the last 17 (53%) winners having run at either Goodwood or Ascot last time out this is another form line to see if your fancy fulfils. Stable Diet – Finally, which are the best yards to look for? Luca Cumani used to have a good record in the race, but he’s now retired. Trainer John Gosden won the prize for the first time last year and is sure to be keen on following up, but the Sir Michael Stoute is the stable with the best record. Okay, they’ve not won the prize since 1996, but the Stoute camp have recorded three wins in the Ebor between 1980 and 1996 – so maybe they are due another! Finally, being run over 1m6f then it’s also a race some of the National Hunt yard tend to target – especially the Irish ones. Since 2009 we’ve had winners for the Willie Mullins, Gordon Elliott, Johnny Murtagh and Tony Martin, so anything any Irish-based yard sends over should certainly be given a second glance.

So it must be a waste of time when Stipes do the obligatory radio report they always tell us... "it'll be HOLDING"...if it is..or "loose" when it's not? Next you'll be telling us ALL horses can handle a H 11 ...when there's a 30L difference between some H 11's? No, good luck to older neddys when they win...but I'm all over the young ones...you should know by now ...less miles in the legs, on the up, from a lower base weight...in short progressive neddys... But you're right about some neddys having a 'winning weight' suited to their physical statures...

'New' bee owners must be a nightmare to present day Trainers...under pressure already... If Shillings for Jillings or any old time Trainers had this grief from newbie owners the neddy would be at their doorstep in no time... At least he's spending his money in this Industry.... Don Ho wanted to and did...and on Prima facie evidence...got taken advantage of... Praise be to da gods that Bren Lindsey got into plastics before the Greens banned them...and hooked up with the Yanks who love plastic.. ...while Bren was already hooked on Thoroughbreds Now Someone needs to gift a blue blood Thoroughbred to Graeme Hart or any close relatives..to get that incredibly rich family...hooked line and sink.. ...and tell them Eric Watson's now dire predicament had absolutely nothing to do with his involvement in this Industry..but it was due to hooking up with loose az women

I said "quite possibly" The fact remains anywhich way...horses 'in form' are more likely to handle increases in weight.... ...and then you get smart az Jockeys like Lanrny O who used to negate any big weights by... ...RACING HANDIER...he knew Weight makes a difference.. Lets see... ...a highweight rider with fatty deposits named CURIOUS V LARNY O

Actually weren't you ANTI this info being a 'thing' Chef? Speak up or forever hold your piece... Or have you 'turned'?

It's YOU'RE...You are a legend...ok? Or...YOU ARE...YOU'RE a DICKHEAD... ...or...your dickhead is the bell end of all richard craniums...a supreme dickhead As I say..I'm over the f in moon about YOUR incredible perspicacity on this... But have you no empathy for your fellow Punters who didn't get the oil that this neddy eats loose mud..but not glue?? And that if the ignorant RIU accept the excuse of GLUE V LOOSE... that they should highlight that in their pitch reports? And that NZTR should also accept that rating in their f in PDF stats they send to RITA...god bless her

Absolutely love the 'get out' mate "stats may have changed since" Yea, 1993 to be exact...on soupy Yankee tracks with weird Yankee 'handicapping' But get this... "Horses who increase in weight have a better chance" No shit... ..did he think they're the ones who'll be 'in form' and that others going down in ratings...could quite possibly be on a downer...and 'out of form' Na, obviously he doesn't think...

The problem you have is the totes lack of understanding of the word 'CONTRADICTORY' You can't on one hand tell NZTR their female allowance is out by...Weight for it... 0.5kg...which in your world is 0.05L...bizarre in itself ..and they "need to get back to 1 1/2kgs to even the stats up" And tell us "weight don't matter"... then dishing us up shit Yankee stats racing on soup from as far back as 26 years ago!! The hard evidence moi showed...you may have missed it....and which took away ALL variables... ...of course was on a treadmill....which CLEARLY showed the affect weight does have... The only advice I can give for your fatty deposit problem...is to take a sit behind your fellow partner...I.e. get cover...hook out and outfinish the sucker ...because that's a 'thing' even though your alma mater mate says... " but they race wide without cover in Harness so I don't see the problem" Next you'll be agreeing 100% on that b/s...as indeed you do on everything else he shit talks

Great to hear the pommy neddy PRINCE OF ARRAN is back bigtime..according to Charlie F, his trainer...Great 3rd last year and on track for the good form race the Ebor later this month Ebor the "perfect race" for Prince Of Arran, says Charlie Fellowes Mon 12 Aug 2019 Charlie Fellowes believes Prince Of Arran can defy his advancing years and make his presence felt in the Sky Bet Ebor at York. The evergreen six-year-old will try to gain his first win since landing a Group Three event at Flemington in November when lining up in the prestigious 14-furlong prize on August 24. Although the son of Shirocco, who finished third in last year’s Melbourne Cup, has failed to win in more than eight months, the Newmarket handler is confident he will have plenty in his favour on the Knavesmire. Prince Of Arran finished last of five at Goodwood on his return Fellowes said: “I should think the Ebor will be the perfect race for Prince of Arran. A mile-six is his trip and a big field really suits him with a strong pace. “His best races have come in the Northumberland Plate and Melbourne Cup and they were big fields. “Hopefully everything should be ideal for him as it looks a quality line up and almost like the English version of the Melbourne Cup, although I’d be surprised if there are horses quite as good as Cross Counter and Marmelo in there.” Prince of Arran failed to beat a rival home in his Ebor prep run in a Group Three at Goodwood earlier this month, but it was an effort Fellowes was more than happy with. Fellowes said: “We were pretty happy with Prince Of Arran and we didn’t expect much more. It is harder getting these older horses fit and running him that day at Goodwood was like three pieces of work. “We knew that the mile and a half there would be too sharp and although a lot of things were against him, he did great. He travelled great and he was in the mix until a furlong out when the others quickened past him. “I’m delighted he went up there as that should hopefully put him spot on for York.” Carnwennan and Stevie Donohoe seen winning the Northumberland Vase at Newcastle will head to York later this month (Clint Hughes/PA Images) A trip to York will also be on the agenda for Northumberland Vase winner Carnwennan, with Fellowes earmarking the Sky Bet Handicap Stakes as his next target. He added: “Carnwennan will go to York for the two-mile handicap worth £70,000 as we know he handles the track being a course and distance winner. “We thought about going for the Shergar Cup, but this is worth more and it gives us another two weeks to get him ready.” The son of Cacique came unstuck in his quest for a four-timer at Newbury last time out, but Fellowes feels there was a legitimate excuse for that performance. He added: “We were a bit worried about the soft ground as he had run on it once before and he was disappointing, but he was a young horse then and we thought we would give it another go. “We know he has all his better form on quicker ground, so we will keep him to that now.” ...

Ok I'm really over the f in moon for you...does that help?? Wouldnt you like to have instantaneous knowledge, at a glance, of other neddys you're ignorant about wrt their LOOSE/HOLDING form though turns? Via the PDF form in the designated PDF area of your hip pocket...and no im not referring to your VPL...lacey I presume?

While you're in the dictionary...look up 'CONSTANT' I think you'll find I've alerted you to two samples... Its an example of how ignorami can congregate and produce... ...even more ignoramous 'stats'...such as 1 kg =0.1L... Or your 'contradiction' chaos theory theory... Of changing the Female allowance by 0.5kg to stop the massive 0.05L advantage No wonder you didn't want to comment on your 'Math'

Simply post a screen shot of your investments while you're there I think I'm the only poster in the history of NZ racing websites to post such a comprehensive list of the days bets... ...just as the criticism reached a crescendo of antagonism and bullying... ...with one fowl swoop I sent them directly to the hen house...stuttering and spluttering into their sad sorry smack talk... Sure, the great investment day before the Masterclass tipping lesson..but I enjoy ass about face

Sorry you can't read between the lines... We're a Professional Sport...where other Professional Sports require protagonists to FRONT UP to the Media...OR F off And if you criticise the Feds you get fined... Many Trainers work their asses off for the Industry and front... freeloaders like Manning and Dummbo fly along on the others skirts without a care in the World... ...fine them before they get kicked out as well

I've already done that chef so what's the point?...cooked up a storm of controversy it did... When under extreme provocation to prove the BP was legit...I posted a lazy Friday 200 Hundy turned into 10k..or was it 11? Some claimed it was a fluke and there's no possible way I could do what I did... ...and last year after more extreme bullying...and include yourself in that... I posted a TIPPING MASTERCLASS of the Tri, q and winner of the last 3 races in ONE SELECTION.... ... I'm assuming that's a World f in record...So moi can't be an ass Ask yaself...how could I talk so much shit while holding down a full time job let alone a Princess if i wasn't all over this like a rash?

Ohhhh my...where did you even get the energy to write such crap? At least you finally admitted you're the CONTRADICTORY GURU WHERE you want the Female allowance back a 1/2kg....even though 2kgs= 0.2L... ...but it'd have a big effect..but really weight..."it's a really small contributor..most say" WTF?? No most don't say that! Only ignorami with their heads up without the sun shining do... Let me tell you now though... ITS ABOUT BACKING WINNERS.. ok? Terribly simple...back 10/10 and you're ahead on the day! Wtf knew? Only the dumbest dullards don't get that... however...if one also gets value on those winners...good shit...like moi's well published BP Niches..I.e. the Stake increases as the price lengthens... ..SUBJECTIVELY selected...(this is so obvious) which most just can't do.... Like pricing a market to 180% as one of your crowd did...and had 3/4 of the field at value...f me Or you pricing VERY FLASH at 35's when winning at 7's...and the hotty HELENA BABY at 12's... How on earth do you get pricing like that?? Then you fluked one...and now you're claiming you were ON throughout the tiresome experiment...and where others are claiming amazing ROI's even though the ACTUAL tips they posted in a much publicised spruik ...were incredibly BAD ...BAZZA's BAD BOTCHUPS... ...at least I posted moi's TIPPING MASTERCLASS BEFORE the event... But were talking about ignorami who can't even sprekin the Queens Englaise here "Another words"..it's amazing how some people go through life thinking that certain words go together.. Or your ignorant alma mater mate..."could of" where 'of' is not even a verb...it's a preposition and not part of the verb phrase 'could have' could've sounds could of perhaps?....but only if your ignorant

Exactly ATA...not to mention 13 CD races IN A ROW last month! But they can't read.. Some tossers think we invest on EVERY single APP...like downloading every single APP available to tossers playing on their wee devices...yea na But the SCAGLIONI case is a very good one and it perfectly demonstrates my raisin day tear...something I learnt in 1st Year French... Tell moi if I'm boring you..but I know I'm not... This horse had been racing very well...out of its grade...one of the better recent performances at Ruakaka WITHOUT A CLAIM...ran the very good horse Dragon Storm to a length... ..and a NK off VALANTE..who won the BOP Cup the very next start... ask yaself To this race and the well spruiked PAISLEY PARK was conceding 7 1/2kgs to the Scag...that's GOLD... You know it...I know it ... ...the other tossers though...can't quite get their heads around the bleedin' obvious...yet...

Where did I say every single race Weas? You know it..every punter knows it...it's a front bias almost every day.... Thats why the Feds need to give us the WIDTH pen. Reading every 3M... Just as my spies give me at Te Rapa...which usually show the drains working far better by the rail... Who knew the part of the track where the drain is...drains better??

No wonder poor Maddy went off with the nearest man she could find... ...can he even see his belly button to clean out the lint...let alone get his pinky in there to dry the hole out?

Times have way changed since Lazza Boring as f Mains was in control koppa... ..telling the media to F off out of his AB training facility... And this was AFTER the race... Interviews creat interest and gives FREE publicity to the struggling Industry... wtf up

Please don't relitigate this sorry case with your rubbish lies... Dummbo was found guilty az sin of Bringing Racing into disrepute by straight out LYING to the Public... Then rubbing it in by telling Punters that keep him running for ribbons... That he had to LIE so his owner could get a price wtf up

They're LICENSED ...and a failure to uphold the terms of their LICENSES should mean the DCM... LICENCE = CONTRACT Dummbo lying to the Public...guilty of bringing racing into disrepute... Manning...accusing the Handicapper of Corruption...ffs Dickheads... And now they're piggy backing off other trainers hard work and good punter relations... Imagine if they ALL did it...there wouldn't be ANY punter interest and they'd be even more into Sports betting...

You're correct muz but also incorrect....Gibbsy did his usual interview...albeit by audio...radio without pictures... By the sounds Popps was itching to get him on...but sounded terribly reluctant... Lets give him the benefit of the doubt...and just kick out Ralph Manning and Dummbo for refusing to give the industry the recognition that keeps them in a hobby...and happy Some of these boys like Manning and Dummbo need to cop the f on... ...and realise they'd be runnning for pink ribbons if every Trainer refused...