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Changing the name of Historical WFA Races. ummm
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Personally not a fan! Struggling to get a sponsor perhaps? Interesting to see how the youngest horse in the race is a 6 year old! 7 horses rated 100+ Would it be correct to say that is a first for a while! No Rain Last 7 Days | No Rain in the forecasted! Gee, does that mean a decent track? Bring it on! -
TAB MUFHASA CLASSIC Starting limit: 18, Ballots: 6 WFA 1600m - $400,000 Open /Close Silk Horse Trainer Age Sex Order Rating Weight La Crique Simon & Katrina Alexander 6 Mare - 109 - Perfect Scenario Mark Walker & Sam Bergerson 7 Gelding - 107 - El Vencedor Stephen Marsh 6 Gelding - 105 - Ladies Man Allan Sharrock 7 Gelding - 105 - One Bold Cat Robbie Patterson 6 Gelding - 103 - Town Cryer Roydon Bergerson 7 Mare - 102 - Belardo Boy Lisa Latta 6 Gelding - 100 - Lightning Jack Kelvin Tyler 8 Gelding - 99 - Puntura Robbie Patterson 7 Gelding - 99 - Mali Ston Darryn & Briar Weatherley 7 Gelding - 98 - Pearl Of Alsace Shaune Ritchie & Colm Murray 6 Mare - 98 - Matscot Sharon Robertson and Alan Reeves 7 Gelding - 97 - He's A Doozy Lisa Latta 7 Gelding - 94 - Chase Stephen Nickalls 8 Gelding - 90
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I thought both Guerin and Sharrock did a bloody good job here
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more 'honesty' than the normal corporate propaganda! starting with "yes I should have said I was going to resign" -
JAMES CUMMINGS on training, champions and the influence of Bart
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here is the full Gai interview -
Weigh-In 1 December 2024: Arapaho isn't a Maori word!!!
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via microsoft copolit. is Robert Cameron the harness trainer and driver still alive? Yes, Robert Cameron, the renowned harness trainer and driver, is still alive. He has had a long and distinguished career in the harness racing industry, with numerous wins and accolades to his name1. Would you like to know more about his career highlights or recent activities? how old is he? Robert Cameron, the renowned harness trainer and driver, is 79 years old. He has had a long and distinguished career in the harness racing industry, with numerous wins and accolades to his name. Would you like to know more about his career highlights or recent activities? how winners did he train and drive? Robert Cameron has had a highly successful career as a harness trainer and driver. Some of his notable achievements include: Iraklis: This top pacer won the 1997 NZ Trotting Cup and the Miracle Mile. Iraklis won 22 of his 51 starts and earned over $1 million in stakes1. Monkey King: Another standout horse trained and driven by Cameron, Monkey King won two NZ Cups and numerous other Group 1 races. Scotch Tar: Cameron trained this trotter to win two Dominion Handicaps and several other Group races. Cameron's career highlights reflect his skill and dedication to the sport. Would you like to know more about any specific horse or race? how many winners did he drive? Robert Cameron has driven over 1,000 winners in his career. This is a remarkable achievement and highlights his skill and dedication to harness racing. Would you like to know more about his career highlights or any specific races he's won? how many winners did he train? Robert Cameron has trained over 500 winners in his career. This is a testament to his skill and dedication to the sport of harness racing. Would you like to know more about his career highlights or any specific horses he's trained? -
Weigh-In 1 December 2024: Arapaho isn't a Maori word!!!
Murray Fish replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
wasn't it great to see him bolting in! I recon from around 72 to 76 there would have been one meeting in Canterbury and the West Coast , gallops and trots that our crowd wasn't on course! I would hate to think how much warm flat bear and cold pies we ate and drunk! lol, I recon I jumped the fence at most meetings as well!!! -
Weigh-In 1 December 2024: Arapaho isn't a Maori word!!!
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sigh, at most of the recent meetings at Wingatui (not counting Melb Cup day) I usually get to speal to the 5o people on course in the public area! -
Geez Huey they even talk them up in Queensland!!! Just like NZ.
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then there is this: How many Group one races are there in Queensland each year? In Queensland, there are eight Group 1 races each year. These races are part of the state's major racing carnivals, including the Brisbane Winter Racing Carnival and the Gold Coast Magic Millions Carnival2. how many group one races in nz each season? In New Zealand, there are 20 Group 1 races each season. These races are part of the country's major racing carnivals and include prestigious events like the New Zealand Derby, Auckland Cup, Wellington Cup, and the Tarzino Trophy. -
Geez Huey they even talk them up in Queensland!!! Just like NZ.
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Both Queensland and New Zealand have significant horse racing industries, but they differ in scale and economic impact. Queensland: The racing industry in Queensland generates over $2.4 billion in value-added contribution to the economy. It sustains around 15,839 full-time equivalent jobs. The industry sees more than 675,300 attendances at race meetings annually. New Zealand: The racing industry in New Zealand generates close to $1.9 billion in value-added contribution to the economy. It sustains around 13,632 full-time equivalent jobs. The industry sees more than 639,100 attendances at race meetings annually. While Queensland's racing industry has a larger economic impact and more jobs, New Zealand's industry also plays a crucial role in its economy and community. -
Weigh-In 1 December 2024: Arapaho isn't a Maori word!!!
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I think I can see myself!!! -
Weigh-In 1 December 2024: Arapaho isn't a Maori word!!!
Murray Fish replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
By chance it was the first cup I was oncourse for! Besides him bolting in the big thing I recall was the massive ORRRRRRRRRR that went up from the crowd when they put up his price on the semaphore board! two dollar something!!!! ps, back then of course you had to have won 10 races to get into the cup! and there was a whole lot of Open Class races leading up to the cup Here was the field for that years race Here are the horses that participated in the 1973 New Zealand Trotting Cup: Arapaho Young Quinn Globe Bay Robalan Royal Ascot Vanadium Lightsey Scottish Charm Noble Lord Rauka Lad Fab Manaroa Manawaru -
Weigh-In 1 December 2024: Arapaho isn't a Maori word!!!
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CLICK HERE TO GO BACK HORSES ARPAHO A winner over two miles in 4.19 as a 3-year-old, Arapaho brought himself into light harness racing prominence as a 4-year-old when he won the New Brighton Stars Travel Mile at the Addington track. Starting from a second row barrier and running against the elite of NZ pacers, Arapaho ran the distance in 1:59 in conditions that were anything but favourable. Arapaho defeated the Australian Bay Foyle, who ran second and also had to contend with a second row barrier draw, Robalan and Radiant Globe. Arapaho became the first of his sire, Bachelor Hanover's progeny to enter the two-minute list. Arapaho won 10 races, was second twice and third twice as a 4-year-old for prizemoney, $31,740 to be the leading NZ stakewinner in 1971-2. Arapaho was subsequently voted the NZ Harness Horse-of-the-Year in 1972. In February, 1973, Arapaho set a world record in winning the Dunedin Festival Cup. He ran the 11 furlongs from a standing start in 2:48 3/5, a mile rate of 2:02 3/5. This clipped 1 3/5 off the world record set by Johnny Globe, in 1955. Following his success in the Dunedin Festival Cup, Arapaho raced in Sydney in the 1973 Inter-Dominion Championship series. He was defeated into second placing by the championship winner, Hondo Grattan, in the first heat he contested but won the next heat. He qualified for the final, but ran unplaced from the 12 yard mark. During the 1973-4 season Arapaho was again the leading stake-earner in NZ with earnings of $69,375 for the season. This followed wins in the prestigious NZ Cup and the Auckland Cup in 1973. Arapaho was sold to Canadian owners and left NZ late in 1974. Credit: Ron Jenkins: Great Trotters YEAR: 1973 1973 NZ TROTTING CUP Doubts that Arapaho would see out a solidly run 3200 metres against such talented opposition were completely dispelled when he raced away with the $40,000 NZ Cup. Not only did Arapaho win the Cup, but he did so by five lengths in the brilliant time of 4:08.6 for the 3200 metres, which compares favourably with False Step's 4:09 recorded in winning his third NZ Cup in 1960 when the distance was two miles. The fastest time recorded in the Cup over two miles was Johnny Globe's 4:07.6 in 1954. This was a world record which stood until 1969 when Dainty's Daughter recorded 4:07 in Western Australia. Arapaho, who at the start of the season was under option to an American buyer for $100,000 but remained in New Zealand when the sale fell through, proved by far the best stayer in the field. Dunsandel owner Mr Laurie Forde has now won 23 races both here and in Australia with Arapaho who took his stake earnings to $90,270 with the $24,000 first prize. Arapaho was given a dream run by trainer-driver Jack Smolenski. Sixth early he had a turn in front at the 2100 metre mark as the early lead changed frequently, and was then three back on the rails when first Vanadium then Rauka Lad took the lead. Rauka Lad made the pace from the 1800 metres when Young Quinn was shot into a handy lead by Bob Cameron. Vanadium and Arapaho moved to be second and third on the home turn, but Arapaho proved too strong for Young Quinn and went on to win by five lengths. Last year's Cup winner Globe Bay went another good race for second. He improved along the rails to be in fifth place on the turn and finished determinedly to edge Young Quinn out of second by half a neck. Young Quinn, the youngest horse in the race at four, made a game attempt to beat his older rivals. He was one of several to have a turn in front early when he led briefly at the 2600 metre mark, but at the 1600 he was well placed in the fourth line on the outside of Fab. Cameron sent him passed the tiring Rauka Lad at the 600 metre mark and he turned for home with a handy advantage. He could not maintain it, but his third in such a fast-run race was a good effort for a young horse. Robalan third in the race last year, gained another placing when he battled on for fourth though four lengths back. He drifted to the rear after 800 metres and then had to go very wide when improving from the 700 metre mark. He was sixth, but very wide out turning for home. Royal Ascot did best of the three horse bracket which include Manaroa and Manawaru. He finished fifth, but never looked like paying a dividend. He had only Manaroa and Robalan behind him at the 800 metre mark and then had to go three, then four wide round Noble Lord at the 400 metres. He was a length back fifth at the line. Vanadium, who trailed Rauka Lad from the 1800 metres, wilted to sixth a length back and a nose in front of Lightsey who ran on well after breaking at the start. Scottish Charm just battled away in the middle of the field two lengths back with a gap of five lengths back to Noble Lord who made a brief forward move at the 800 metres, but was struggling at the 400 metre mark. Manawaru, who was under pressure to maintain his position at the 800 metres, was a further four lengths back ahead of Bomber Bill, Fab, Manaroa, who broke badly at the start, and Rauka Lad. Rauka Lad stopped badly after going up fast to lead at the 1800 metre mark. Credit: 'Lookout' writing in NZ Trotguide -
Weigh-In 1 December 2024: Arapaho isn't a Maori word!!!
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who was the nz cup winner Arapaho named after? Arapaho, the New Zealand Cup winner, was named after the Arapaho Native American tribe. The name "Arapaho" is derived from the word "Arapa," which means "dog eater" in the Pawnee language. The Arapaho tribe is one of the Plains tribes and has a rich history and culture. -
JAMES CUMMINGS on training, champions and the influence of Bart
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It came up via 'prof algorithm', I've been trolling through youtube looking up videos on gambling and punting. Starting to get to see a interesting vein of videos! This podcast has some interesting videos, I've been enjoying watching various ones about various old school bookies and big punters! https://www.youtube.com/@WolfdenApp -
a change of tack... Experience has thought me to be rather cautious of bring to much 'cognitive bias' to the punting table, especially around any perception of 'who owns' 'who trains'. My late Dad would comment "never kick a mans dog! or "bad mouth some ones races horse!", both can later bite you! Back to talking Te Akau, not a stable that I often bet on, as much as it seems that their is often a lot of early smart money on their runners, fascinating to see when the opposite when one of theirs goes on the drift, Atrai was one I had black booked, opened @6 drifted out to 11, v's big $$$ which didn't stop coming for the winner!
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Do many BOAY'ers watch this podcast? With the most famous surname in the world of horse racing, James Cummings has followed in the footsteps of his iconic Grandfather, Bart. As head trainer at Godolphin and with 50 G1 wins, James continues to carve out his own pages in the history books. This week Bossy, Adam and James chat training techniques, what makes a champion and lessons from his Grandfather.
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Anthony Cummings has called in liquidators
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His dad won 12 Melbourne Cups. Now Anthony Cummings has called in liquidators Chris Barrett November 29, 2024 •09:21am Share Anthony Cummings’ business is being wound up.Jeremy Ng / Getty Images One of horse racing’s greatest dynasties is in turmoil after the training business of Anthony Cummings was placed into liquidation with debts of more than A$2 million (NZ$2.21m). Cummings is a member of Australia’s racing royalty, the son of legendary horseman Bart Cummings and father of James Cummings, the Cox Plate-winning head trainer of global thoroughbred powerhouse Godolphin in Australia. However, the 68-year-old could be forced to vacate the famous Leilani Lodge stables, where Bart trained some of his 12 Melbourne Cup winners, as Racing NSW investigates the collapse of his training company and assesses his suitability to hold a licence. According to a liquidator’s report filed with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission, Cummings’ business RossCarbery Holdings is being wound up, with A$4.2 million claimed by unsecured creditors. Almost half of that is loans made to the company by Cummings himself as well as by his wife Bernadette and another related party, Anthony Cummings Thoroughbreds. The report by Sydney insolvency firm DW Advisory said the Australian Tax Office had pursued it for debts of A$1.3 million and that a further A$797,399 was outstanding to other trade creditors. Employees were also due A$155,128 in superannuation when the company went into administration. ADVERTISEMENT Liquidator Cameron Gray said it was likely the company engaged in insolvent trading but further investigation may be required. He listed “failure to maintain adequate books and records” and “acting recklessly and not in good faith in the best interest of the corporation or not for the proper purpose” as other possible breaches of the Corporations Act but said they may also need further investigation. Anthony Cummings and his racing royalty father Bart in 1985.Fairfax Media The liquidator drew attention to the reduction of a loan from Anthony Cummings Thoroughbreds by A$298,433 in the past year and payments made to the creditors of another company of his that was placed into liquidation five years ago. “I don’t believe any of that applies. I acted in good faith at all times,” Cummings said on Thursday. James Cummings has carved out a formidable record after getting his start training with grandfather Bart.Eddie Jim “The reality is the biggest debts owed by the training company were to me, my wife and my thoroughbred company. That’s a matter of fact. I’ve had discussions with the majority of people involved and there is no issue there.” Cummings is continuing to train dozens of horses at Randwick and hopes to re-form a partnership with his other son, Edward, who previously operated at Hawkesbury, under the 38-year-old’s company Myrtle House. Edward Cummings has already transferred his horses in work to his father’s stables and offered a number of Anthony’s employees work and assumed or paid out annual leave entitlements, according to the liquidator. ADVERTISEMENT But after being issued with a show-cause notice by Racing NSW last month over the folding of his company, it’s unclear whether Anthony Cummings will be cleared by the regulator to continue training and link up with his son, with whom he was in partnership for nine years before Edward went out on his own in 2019. Racing NSW declined to comment on Thursday as investigation was ongoing. Cummings attributed the company’s failure to a “lack of on-track performance of horses” while its external accountant also ascribed responsibility to clients paying slower during the cost of living crisis. The liquidator reported the company was owed A$262,206, of which A$74,428 had been clawed back, and employees could expect to recover between 31¢ and 40¢ in the dollar of unpaid superannuation, with Cummings having made payments covering two months. But the company’s accountant advised that Cummings had assets totalling only A$979, as well as liabilities of A$50,000 and multiple personal guarantees, concluding: “On the surface, it appears that Mr Cummings does not have the capacity to pay in the event of a judgment against him”. Cummings, who had a Group 1 win with El Castello in October, said he had taken Racing NSW through the particulars of his training company’s demise and believed he had satisfied its queries. “The plan was for Edward and I to join a partnership,” he said. “He had an operating company, I had an operating company. We only need one. So one or the other had to be shut down. On the advice of various people, we shut down the one that I was using. There’s nothing unusual about that – there’s nothing nefarious about that.” His troubles come as his other son, James, re-writes the record books training for Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, the ruler of Dubai and founder of Godolphin. Last month the fourth-generation trainer secured his 50th group 1 winner at the age of 36. Anthony Cummings, who has trained 34 group 1 winners in his three-decade career, said he did not believe his licence and his family’s long association with Leilani Lodge was in jeopardy. “All I know is I’ve got 50-odd horses in work here,” he said. “They’re well looked after, well fed and they’re racing as well as they ever have”. - Sydney Morning Herald https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360504604/his-dad-won-12-melbourne-cups-now-anthony-cummings-has-called-liquidators
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BAYLEYS GREAT NORTHERN CHALLENGE STAKES
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thanks. Though why have a ratings system then if you don't use it? -
doh! what I have learned is it doesn't know that much about nz racing history, as much because the way that leadership in the industry has strategically gone about moving into the digital would! Going back to when they first set up the data base at NZTR re Horses in the 1980's, I knew the fella tasked to do that! I think he ended up pulling all his hair out! As the they, 'good data in, good data out', having said that, from the 2000's onwards it is more friendly! but Nothing pre 1979? ps, can you change the AI to artificial intelligence
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from over the ditch, a decline in betting. "That points to a trend of wagering companies reducing marketing spend, including free bets and other inducements, and becoming more focused on individual customer profitability. The challenge with that approach is that it has a compounding impact on turnover. As bookie margins increase, returns to punters drop and they become less likely to re-invest. There are implications for this, not only in terms of race fields revenue, but POCT as well." https://thestraight.com.au/a-78-million-hole-wagering-slump-and-funding-changes-smash-pras-bottom-lines/?ref=straight-up-newsletter
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Can someone explain the logic of how this sort or race is handicapped? sorry for page lay out... https://loveracing.nz/raceinfo/53204/meeting-overview.aspx#toggle-detail7 7 4:07 pm BAYLEYS GREAT NORTHERN CHALLENGE STAKES OPN-SW&P 1600m - $120,000Open /Close # Silk Form Horse 1 10X16 Midnight Blue (AUS)(8g So You Think - Midnight Special (AUS)) 2 2X480 Aegon(7g Sacred Falls - Toss Up) 3 63X02 Skyman (GB)(9g Mukhadram (GB) - Skyrider (IRE)) 4 02X41 Meaningful Star (IRE)(8g Pivotal (GB) - Adore (GB)) 5 71318 Heart Of Gold(7g Niagara (AUS) - Champagne Lady) 6 90962 Saint Bathans (AUS)(6g Maurice (JPN) - Princess Natural (AUS)) 7 0X607 Gee Cee(7g Sacred Falls - Smitten Kitten) 8 80870 Not Ideal(8g Nicconi (AUS) - Champagne Crystal (AUS)) 9 X7185 Islington Lass(6m Proisir (AUS) - Miss Relentless) 10 X3511 Sumi(7m Atlante (AUS) - Seek A Fortune) Fields Quick Trials Gear Barrier Stats ›Download PDF › Draw RTG WGT Jockey Trainer Win Place 6 95 55.5 Craig Grylls Mark Walker & Sam Bergerson - - 9 102 55.0 Vinnie Colgan Andrew Forsman - - 2 100 55.0 Warren Kennedy Stephen Marsh - - 4 91 55.0 Michael McNab Bruce Wallace & Grant Cooksley - - 5 85 55.0 Sam Spratt Sam Mynott - - 10 84 55.0 George Rooke Andrew Forsman - - 8 83 55.0 Sam Weatherley Stephen Marsh - - 1 83 55.0 Billy Jacobson Ken Harrison - - 7 95 53.5 Joe Doyle Allan Sharrock - - 3 97 53.0 Masa Hashizume Allan Sharrock - - Gear changes:
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another play, spot the bi mistake! noel eales horse trainer ChatGPT said: ChatGPT Searched 2 sites Noel Eales was a prominent and highly successful horse trainer from New Zealand, known for his patient approach to preparing racehorses. Based in Manawatu and later at Awapuni, he became a leading figure in the New Zealand racing scene during his career. Eales trained several renowned horses, including Calm Harbour, who achieved numerous Group race victories, and The Phantom, winner of prestigious races like the 1993 Mackinnon Stakes in Australia. His career highlights also included training (Mr) Lomondy, the 1986 Caulfield Cup winner, and Ed, winner of the 1997 Wellington Cup WikiTree.com DOWN UNDER PUNTER.COM . Eales was celebrated for his ability to develop horses gradually, often bringing them to peak performance after long breaks. His work left a lasting impact on New Zealand racing, and his legacy is honored through the Noel Eales Memorial race WikiTree.com DOWN UNDER PUNTER.COM . 4o You said: what jockey rode the most winners for him? ChatGPT said: ChatGPT Searched 2 sites David Walsh is widely recognized as the jockey who achieved the most success with Noel Eales. Walsh rode numerous winners for the legendary trainer during his illustrious career, which included a remarkable partnership with horses like Castletown. This collaboration contributed significantly to both Walsh's and Eales' reputations in New Zealand racing history Horse Racing | Racing News | Sports News
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coming from a Cretan like you I'm not to sure if your comment counts for much! ps, send me your name in private mail! I be keen to meet you in person one day! but then I bet odds on, you be way to gutless for something like that to happen! eh!
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(blush) and I wonder how many punters are like me and don't know how to use them!!!