Murray Fish

i was watching this, stopped after 8 mins, come back and it be gone... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksnRjilG7MA

can you show video of this sort of thing happening as you suggest?

That wasn't the question though looking from a different tack, over in AU, back in a day, Big Labour Dispute, V Learned QC, he could pick which Judge via what dates He was available! and did so on this case, a choice of 30 J's he picked X and won the case, trading on X's 'bias'. With Racing (especially so here in NZ) here historically its been We are Always right! and we will change rules to prove that! and No Appeals if We say so!

plenty of $$$ to say its a winner,,,,

so neither of them to get (want?) the CEO? then who? their strategic drive being?

I'm keen to hear the reply to that sort of thing!!

I found that he doesn't handle it that well when his wisdom is challenged!

where does this sort of thing fit into nz gambling?

bejususus.. it could be Hell for watching that sort of stuff!! eh!

sigh, and What a Struggle it can be for So many jockeys! And its on record OB has always needed massive vigilance to simply be able to turn up to the jockeys room! Little alone being able to ride 99 G1's Vulgar of you to be commenting, especially if you Actually know the struggles of serious food restrictions! Please, shouldn't his private life be that! Especially so as Children are involved! And wank talk can sit parked for a long time...

I would love to see the math's behind this logic? Other interesting math$, will be around the costs of running a stable of horses?

who they be nowadays? Entain? Ladbrook$?

lol, you be a hard mar ker, its won a listed race as a 2 yr, G1 placed over 1600 in 1.34.35 trained by nz greatest ever trainer?

never let the truth get in the way of a good story! what odds that hose is sold before the race?

the back of the weetbix box perhaps! or, sitting next to a bloke on the flight home! or....

i had a busy day so was in and out trying to watch, and early on thought, I wonder what times they were going, when to have a quick look but (now I know why) couldn't find any...

I missed that race, but did note him getting rather excited when one won using blinkers!!!

criminal result! ps, top interview btw!

oncourse bookies not going that well either.. Wagering The last bastion of on-course bookmaking By Matt Stewart - May 03, 2024 For the first time in his 45 years of bookmaking, Anthony Doughty drove to Warrnambool this week with a sense of dread. Veteran bookmaker Anthony Doughty says the on-course bookmaking industry is in its death throes. (Photo by Vince Caligiuri/Getty Images) The May jumps carnival is famous for history and solidarity. Everything stays the same; grown men behave like teenagers and stagger home alone, no one finds the $81 leg of that $100,000 quaddie and days begin with a “hair of the dog” and a nostalgic wander into the betting ring. Driving through Geelong, Colac, Camperdown and Terang, Doughty hoped that these expected things would still be there. The betting ring, mostly. The way it’s always been. The art of on-course bookmaking is in its death throes (as Doughty described) yet Warrnambool has been the stoic aberration. Not even death could kill it. After a spate of fatalities 15 years ago, Racing Victoria declared jumps racing deceased. Rob Hines, who then held the seat on the spinning RV CEO carousel, commandeered the stewards’ room at the Bool after three horses perished during the 2009 carnival. Shortly after, the sport was suspended. This would rip the heart out of The Bool. Protests and new safety measures were drawn up by the jumps’ fraternity and the jumps “did a Galleywood” and rose from the dead (as the famous horse appeared to do in the 1984 Grand Annual). Could the betting ring, that other last bastion, keep doing a Galleywood? To Doughty’s relief, it did. “There was lots of cash. You don’t see that any more. Lots going on. What a relief,” Doughty said of this week’s festival. The casino started it, then the internet, then the corporates, Doughty says of the demise of the bookies ring, which had always been the star act of a day at the races, with all-or-nothing plonks cloaked in often hilarious exchanges between the bagmen and punters with comic nicknames like The Babe, the Hong Kong Tiger, the Fireman, Eyes, Ears, the Lady In Black and the Goanna. Warrnambool had a rich history of betting ring plunges and not all from the “good old days”. Harbour Views had the bagmen on their knees in 2019. Throughout our history of horse racing, the racetrack is where it happened, the betting ring where it mattered. It heaved with dreams and dread. Doughty was musing about all of this when he arrived for what he guessed might have been his 46th May carnival. “I came here a bit negative,” Doughty said. “Everywhere else the on-course bookie industry is in its death throes. “Off course everyone’s got their phones and their corporate. “On course suffers, we’ve definitely seen the best of it. The younger generation, they either don’t have cash or they’re not smart shoppers. “In the olden days you’d come on course and go up and down the ring looking for 13-2 when everyone had 6-1. Now all they’re interested in is multis, free bets and sports. It’s a whole different world.” Anthony Doughty estimates there are only about 20 full-time bookmakers left working in Victoria. (Photo by Vince Caligiuri/Getty Images) For now, one little pocket of the world has remained untouched. “Like I said I arrived at Warrnambool pessimistic but there was demand all day, lots of cash. They were backing six or seven horses in each race,” Doughty said. “It was great. It’s the last surviving carnival in that sense. “You’ve got to get off your arse to experience the bookies at the track and thankfully Warrnambool is a place where they get off their arse.” Doughty counted 25 bagmen in the main ring on Tuesday. Most were getting on a bit. Others were dotted around the track. It was a week of jumping and nostalgia. Only a big day at the picnics, like Balnarring on Australia Day, can boast a betting ring vibe like The Bool. “As good as it was it was nothing like the betting rings of 20 years ago. The demand from members and the public before the corporates came in … it (on-course bookmaking) was the biggest game in town,” Doughty said. Wagering through the ring was in fact down but that was solely attributed to extreme track bias for most of the carnival and lack of punter confidence in the track. Crown Casino first opened across the river at the World Trade Centre in 1994. Before then Victorians, mostly retirees, would hop on buses to the other side of the Murray for their pokies hit at RSL’s and golf clubs. The mobile phone hadn’t yet been invented when Mavis and Graham were heading to the river. The corporates and their now reined-in enticements began to take hold. Punters hopped on their phones, not the race-day tram or train. The betting ring, the engine room of the racetrack, was being dismantled. Bookies were treated as cute relics. Warrnambool is one of the last surviving racing carnivals to offer a vibrant on-course betting ring. (Photo by Pat Scala/Racing Photos via Getty Images) Flemington built a new member’s grandstand and literally left the bagmen out in the cold. “Flemington is the only racetrack where you’re working in the elements. You’re exposed to strong winds, glare and rain. It’s an unhealthy environment. Try sitting in your backyard watching monitors in the glare of the sun,” Doughty said. Doughty has been a leading rails bookmaker for longer than almost anyone when the VRC drew up their lavish plans. “I don’t know if anyone was consulted. I certainly wasn’t,” he said. Another rails bookie has described Flemington as “Siberia”. “The other tracks, at least you’re indoors. I haven’t seen the new Caulfield plans but I believe we will at least be indoors,” Doughty said. There is no clear link but it’s interesting that the creation of casinos in Singapore contributed to the death of its racing, just as Crown and the explosion of suburban poker machines sapped the racetrack of traditional customers. “The Casino was the beginning of the end. Before that (on-course betting) was 90 per cent of our turnover. Now it’s less than one per cent,” Doughty said. Bookies regard cashless or tap-and-go betting as a helpful on-track innovation, but while some bookies use it, others have had their modems shut down by the tap-and-go providers. It seems they don’t want to be linked to gambling. Doughty believes there will always be an element of on-course bookmaking but says it will morph into a pursuit for hobbyists. “To my knowledge there have been no applications for (on-course) bookie licenses for four or five years,” he said. “Some bookies are only working 10 times a year, mostly as a hobby. There are only about 20 of us (traditionalists) left. “As a profession, it’s just about finished. Do you want your kids doing this? Of course not, there’s no future in it.” It’s such a shame, the death of the traditional bookie. Punters used to flock to racetracks because there was really no stay-at-home alternative to betting. Besides, the racetrack heaved, and the betting ring was intoxicating. It was a magnet. The phone or TV screen couldn’t get near it. The closest thing to it is The Bool. Doughty will always be nervous making his way to the famous May jumps carnival. There are no certainties in horse racing and new bookies aren’t replacing old. Phones are glued to hands like extra appendages. You sense change, even where very little has changed, like Warrnambool in May. The Galleywoods of horse racing don’t always keep rising to their feet. https://thestraight.com.au/warrnambool-carnival-lives-on-as-a-last-bastion-of-on-course-bookmaking/

Run The Numbers – The not-so slow death of the Australian tote By Bren O'Brien - August 05, 2024 Run The Numbers is sponsored by Inglis At the start of the 2000s, totalisator betting made up 85 per cent of turnover on thoroughbred racing. Now it is 16 per cent and falling fast. So what happened? Run The Numbers explores the decline. On 2022/23 figures, Australian totalisator betting now accounts for just 16.4 per cent of the wagering market. (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images) In its heyday, totalisator betting was an on-course and retail phenomenon. A New Zealand invention which proved widely popular in Australia, the tote and the TAB brand, established state by state as a government agency in the 1960s, changed betting on horse racing forever. It did more for the commercial success of sport than anything else in the 20th century, driving up prize money and professionalism. The golden goose proved too good an asset for the states not to sell, and bit by bit, these monopolies were privatised, with the exception of Western Australia. At the turn of the century, $8.1 billion of the $9.5 billion wagered on horse racing every year went through the tote, either through on-course, retail such as TABs, pubs and clubs, or phone betting. Eight years later, as the High Court made the historic Betfair v Western Australia decision which paved the way for widespread corporatisation of Australian bookmaking, tote betting in Australia was still riding high, generating $9.7 billion in thoroughbred turnover annually, or 67 per cent of the market. The most recent figures, from 2022/23, shows how dramatically this landscape has changed. In that year, TAB on-course, retail and phone/internet betting contributed $4.3 billion of the $26.4 billion turned over on thoroughbred racing. That is just 16.4 per cent of the market. Put simply, while overall turnover on racing has nearly doubled in the past 15 years, tote turnover has more than halved. In 2008, the average combined win pool hold for a major Sydney or Melbourne race would frequently exceed $1 million. On Saturday, the best combined hold at Flemington was $388,000, while it was around $350,000 at Rosehill. It is also worth noting that the decline of the tote pools continues. A quick survey of home tote win pools from on Saturday reveals overall TAB turnover down 33 per cent at Flemington (albeit with one fewer race) and 11 per cent at Rosehill compared to the same meeting last year. We can break the decline of the parimutuel betting into several pieces, each of which are significant in their own right. Run The Numbers is sponsored by Inglis The first is on-course TAB turnover, which in 2009/10 reached just short of $1 billion Australia-wide, up from $572 million in 2000/01. This growth had come at the expense of on-course bookmaking, whose turnover had fallen from a height of $1.2 billion in 2001/02 to $613 million by 2009/10. But the upward trend in the on-course tote hold proved temporary. By 2015/16 it had collapsed to $391 million and by 2018/19 it was down to $277 million. The pandemic then took a huge toll as on-course attendances plummeted. In 2020/21, on course TAB turnover dropped to $65 million (6 per cent of what it was 11 years earlier). It recovered slightly to be $90 million as pandemic restrictions were fully eased in 2022/23, but is expected to decline again in the just completed 2023/24 season. It’s hardly a surprising trend when you consider the amenity offered by mobile technology and the tote derivative products offered by competitors, as well as declining attendances. This has also led to a decline in the number of on-course tote operators. The pandemic also proved brutal for retail betting through pubs, clubs and agencies. At the turn of the century, close to $7 billion a year was turned over on thoroughbred racing through retail. That represented close to 77 per cent of all turnover on racing. In 2022/23, the contribution of betting on racing through a retail setting was 6.5 per cent, or $1.7 billion of $26.3 billion. It had been a relatively slow decline for retail betting for the decade before the pandemic hit. In 2009/10, retail turnover was $6.1 billion, but the burst in corporate bookmaking saw that reduced to $4.5 billion by 2013/14. By 2018/19, that had fallen to $2.8 billion, as the corporate bookmaker sector grew to $11.1 billion, having been $6 billion five years prior. It was the outbreak of COVID-19 restriction that changed the landscape forever. By 2021/22, the turnover on racing through corporate bookmakers and betting exchanges, with no retail dependency, had ballooned to $19.7 billion. In contrast, retail, beset by the consequences of lockdowns, had slumped to $1.4 billion. The third aspect of parimutuel betting is online and phone betting. In 2000/01, this was already worth $1.1 billion to racing turnover a year, or 11.3 per cent of the total. A decade later, as internet betting grew, parimutuel pools benefited to the tune of $2.47 billion, meaning 17.2 per cent of racing turnover was through TAB-based online and phone parimutuel betting. However, the TABs were getting in on the fixed odds game and that meant driving more punters to a different market. Fixed odds betting turnover through TABs grew from less than $100 million to $2.6 billion in five years from 2007, most of it done online. As a result, parimutuel online turnover pretty much stayed steady through the 2010s. It took off during the midst of the pandemic, getting to $3.3 billion, but has quickly reverted to the $2-$2.5 billion range it has occupied since 2007/08. The Tote is dying in Australia, eaten away by both competition from tote derivative markets and the Australian betting public’s willingness to embrace fixed odds. It is a reminder of how dramatically the wagering landscape can change in the space of 15-20 years. Those regulators and governments making long-term calls on the funding structure of the racing industry need to be aware that what is accepted logic now is unlikely to apply a decade or so down the line. Parimutuel turnover on Australian racing by year (inmillions) *Source: Racing Australia Fact Book *Source: Racing Australia Fact Book Season On Course TAB Retail TAB Phone & Internet Overall 2013/14 $550.95 $4,479.24 $1,974.55 $7,004.74 2014/15 $515.28 $4,166.96 $2,068.96 $6,751.20 2015/16 $391.21 $3,785.99 $2,119.54 $6,296.74 2016/17 $350.25 $3,347.00 $2,068.15 $5,765.40 2017/18 $311.96 $3,039.79 $2,135.18 $5,486.93 2018/19 $276.85 $2,758.56 $2,171.47 $5,206.88 2019/20 $183.29 $2,021.10 $2,356.41 $4,560.80 2020/21 $64.96 $1,863.34 $2,816.49 $4,744.79 2021/22 $66.73 $1,482.56 $3,308.22 $4,857.51 2022/23 $90.17 $1,698.87 $2,542.21 $4,331.25 from: https://thestraight.com.au/run-the-numbers-the-not-so-slow-death-of-the-australian-tote/

talking that fella: "I also want to acknowledge and thank Bernard Saundry for his leadership at RSN and wish him well in his new role as Chairman of Harness Racing Victoria. Bernard has guided RSN through a key period of transition with great poise and commitment.” from: https://thestraight.com.au/racing-victoria-shakes-up-media-and-broadcast-with-key-executives-to-depart/

wow

reading between the lines, perhaps ulcers?

that was going to be my next posted one! surprising to see only 500 subscribers to the pod caste