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what you recon?? By Warwick Barr - November 20, 2024 A Ladbrokes account holder has failed in his bid to be paid $30,000 in winnings because he had been acting on behalf of a third party, a wagering regulator has found. Ladbrokes denied the punter's withdrawal request on the grounds as it believed he was operating it for someone else. (Photo: Natasha Morello/Racing Photos via Getty Images). In deciding whether the bets placed by the successful punter were lawful, the Northern Territory Racing and Wagering Commission (NTRWC) says Ladbrokes was within its rights to deny a withdrawal request. Under its terms and conditions, Ladbrokes refused the punters’ attempts to collect the five-figure sum on evidence he was operating what is colloquially known in the wagering industry as a “bowler account”. “Bowler” accounts are those in which the owner is known to place bets for other people. Anecdotally, their use in the Australian corporate wagering landscape has become prevalent in recent years, with winning gamblers trying to circumvent bookmaker restrictions by using third parties. “In the Commission’s view … it is plausible that the complainant’s Ladbrokes’ betting account was likely on the balance of probabilities to have been funded and/or operated by a person who was not the complainant,” the NTRWC said in its findings against the punter. “Having formed this view, the Commission has determined that Ladbrokes’ invocations of its terms and conditions by way of voiding the complainants’ bets and not paying out on any winnings is justified.” A hearing was told the punter deposited $6600 into his Ladbrokes account which was used to place bets on November 22 and 23 and December 6 in 2022. He later wished to withdraw $30,000. In an online complaint to the NTRWC less than a month later, the punter said he was the only person involved in using the Ladbrokes account. He said he met a request from the bookmaker to provide a financial statement, claiming Ladbrokes did not process the withdrawal because the bookmaker believed another person was using the betting account based on third-party bank deposits. Ladbrokes argued the complaint did not fall within the parameters and scope of the Commission’s jurisdiction and suggested that the punter seek legal advice if he wanted to pursue the matter. But in a written submission to the investigation, Ladbrokes said the wagering account was operated in breach of the company’s terms and conditions. Irish hurling, US elections and minor Euro football leagues - all in a day’s work for NT betting regulator Ladbrokes submitted that it suspected a telephone conversation on December 8 2022, was unlikely to be the account holder “but a person identifying as the complainant instead”. “The variations in speech patterns and other indicators observed during the phone calls … appear to support Ladbrokes’ view that different individuals may have been speaking,” the NTRWC said. Ladbrokes claimed there were also bank statement discrepancies and confirmation of third-party deposits around the time the punter funded his betting account. It also tabled evidence that the mobile telephone number the aggrieved punter wanted to be registered to his account to validate the withdrawal process belonged to another account holder of the wagering firm. A request to change the mobile telephone number to have it registered to the account to comply with a two-factor authentication wasn’t met. Ladbrokes closed the customer’s account two days later, informing the punter he was ineligible to receive any funds. “The Commission notes that when asked about who the mobile phone belonged to during a phone conversation between Ladbrokes and the complainant, the complainant advised that it belonged to a family member and he did not know if that person held a betting account with Ladbrokes,” the NTRWC said. Ladbrokes confirmed that it had refunded the punter’s deposit of $4000. However, earlier contributions made to the account via Flexepin, a global financial product used for online transactions, were not returned because Ladbrokes claimed it couldn’t determine how the vouchers were purchased. NT law changes put additional heat on corporate bookmakers The Commission said Ladbrokes’ decision not to refund Flexepin deposits aligned with the company’s terms and conditions. A Flexepin prepaid voucher system allows users to make secure payments without needing funds to be linked to a credit card or bank account. The punter said he used the Flexepin method while travelling overseas but a Ladbrokes review showed transactions between November 23 and November 28 were made in Australia. “These Australian-based transactions conflict with the statements made by the complainant to Ladbrokes about his betting account usage,” the NTRWC said. In handing down its decision in October, the Commission agreed to Ladbrokes’ request not to disclose potentially sensitive information concerning the third-party operation of the account, saying it could “compromise” ongoing and future investigations into third-party activities.

perphap$ the be$t re$ult at the $ale$ Ormsby pulls off stunning pinhooking result By NZ Racing Desk - November 21, 2024 Share Lot 288, a colt by Churchill out of the Pierro mare Bagitol Photo: Trish Dunell Chad Ormsby has enjoyed plenty of racetrack success this year with pinhooks that he has been unable to sell at the Ready to Run Sale, but the multi-talented horseman had a very different outcome with the standout member of his 2024 Riverrock Farm draft at Karaka on Thursday. Ormsby trained passed-in 2022 Ready to Run lots Pulchritudinous and Outovstock to win this year’s Gr.1 New Zealand Oaks (2400m) and Gr.3 Manawatu Classic (2000m) respectively, with Pulchritudinous subsequently sold to Australian-based powerhouse Yulong Investments. Rivverock Farm’s Chad Ormsby Photo: Trish Dunell On Thursday, Ormsby struck gold in another role. He secured the highest price of the Ready to Run Sale’s second day with the $775,000 sale of Lot 288, a colt by Churchill out of the unraced Pierro mare Bagitol. Ormsby had paid only A$25,000 to buy the colt from the Inglis Melbourne Premier Yearling Sale in March. “We honestly couldn’t believe we were getting such a high-quality colt for that price in Melbourne earlier in the year,” Ormsby said. “We rated him so highly from the moment we first saw him, and he’s turned out exactly how we hoped he would. There’s so many stages where things can go wrong in this business, but all the way through his preparation, he’s just kept on developing. He’s really become the horse we always thought he’d be.” The colt won a trial at Waipa on October 1, after which Ormsby took a big risk and turned down a significant offer to purchase him privately. Lot 288 subsequently impressed in his breeze-up at Te Rapa later that month, in which he clocked 10.42 seconds. “He trialled really well before the breeze-ups, and we knew after that performance that we had a pretty special individual,” Ormsby said. “We turned down good money after that trial. It was a lot of money and not easy to say no to, especially for a small operation like ours with only about 10 horses every year. “But we wanted to promote ourselves and our brand, and we thought the best way to do that was to take the risk, turn down that offer and carry on into the sale. This Ready to Run Sale is our home ground too, it’s our local sale and we believe it’s the best sale of its kind, so we wanted to support the sale as well.” While Ormsby went into Thursday with high hopes of a price above $500,000, he admits to being blown away by the final price of $775,000. The colt was sold to Patella Bloodstock and is destined for Hong Kong. “It’s an amazing result and it’s just a credit to the horse, he’s an absolute weapon of an animal,” Ormsby said.

how they voted on that spurs article Do you think we should continue to allow spurs at the races? Yes 171 votes No 84 votes

a long read on Spurs in Au " Banned in the UK, France, Ireland and the USA, spurs are still commonplace in Australian racing, raising questions about both welfare and perception. Exploring the issue, we spoke to two industry insiders at the top of their games, and draw on evidence from the wider equine world too. There are two rules governing the use of spurs according to Racing Australia: - AR 125 Riders permitted to use blunt and approved spurs Riders may use spurs provided they are blunt and of a type approved by Racing Australia, a PRA, or the Stewards. - AR 134 Excessive, unnecessary or improper use of spurs In a race, official trial, jump-out or trackwork, or elsewhere, a rider must not use his or her spurs in an excessive, unnecessary or improper manner. The Thoroughbred Report reached out to each of Australia’s PRAs to ask about their view of the rules, whether the issue of perception over spurs has been raised within their state and the history of enforcement of the rules. Sadly just two responded. A Racing Victoria spokesperson said: “Riders in Victoria are required to adhere to the Australian Rules of Racing that govern the use of spurs. If a rider uses his or her spurs in an excessive, unnecessary or improper manner this will be considered by Stewards. “We have had no recent breaches of AR134 in which action has been taken in Victoria.” Meanwhile, Thoroughbred Racing Northern Territory (TRNT) Chairman of Stewards David Hensler explained: “TRNT Stewards enforce the Rules of Racing pertaining to the use of spurs. We regularly check spurs on race days, at barrier trials and in track work. In the last 10 years we have had no rider breach either AR125 or AR134.” The inside line Even for those experienced in the breeding side of the industry, the choice to use spurs may still be a mystery - is it a jockey's preference or a trainer’s instruction? Do they make much of a difference? We spoke to one of Sydney’s leading jockeys, Tommy Berry, to get an idea of exactly what goes on behind the scenes. “Sometimes it can be up to either,” Berry said. “I know if I've watched a replay of a horse and he looks quite laid back, he misses the start, just needs a little bit of a wake up before he goes into the barriers, I'll put spurs on.” Tomy Berry | Image courtesy of Sportpix “I'm not someone that ‘kicks’ in a race, so if I wear spurs in a race it's really not going to affect the horse at all because I can't use them. “Myself, James McDonald and a lot of other jockeys are in the same boat - the only time I can really use spurs is to just give them a little bit of a wake up to make sure they're switched on before they go into barriers.” “Otherwise, they're pretty much pointless for us. Whereas someone like Nash Rawiller, Brenton Avdulla or Regan Bayliss, they wear spurs quite often because they can kick quite well.” Berry described the tradeoff between jockeys that ride shorter and those that ride longer. In his assessment, whilst three-quarters of jockeys, the likes of he and McDonald included, utilise their balance to be more effective in a finish, others encourage their mounts with a kicking motion. There’s no clear answer here as a number of elite jockeys fall into each camp, with Berry concluding that different styles suit different horses. Just how much the spurs are used during this kicking motion in a race finish is hard to discern. Given a jockey’s crouched position, it’s hard to see how a jockey could point their feet outwards to bring the spurs into contact with the horse. And, if they did make contact during vigorous race finishes, surely we would see at least the occasional marking or rubbing of a horse’s flanks, causing an infraction of the rules. Noting that he’s never once called before the stewards for any spurs-related infractions, Berry added: “It's not something that you overuse - I've never ever done it to hurt a horse. You don't turn your heels out and give them a big kick up the ribs, it's just running it along their skin a little bit. “I think it's important to state as well, that breakers often use spurs to help guide the horse along. So, when you get to a race it’s often not the first time they’ve been introduced to spurs.” Laying the foundation A former elite event rider, Blair Richardson runs Vantage Hill, a race educating and pre-training establishment utilised by many of Australia’s top trainers. Speaking to TTR AusNZ, he described spurs in the context of his work as ‘controversial’ in the sense that he’s highly selective about using them so early on in a horse’s education. “We break in probably 250 to 280 horses a year,” Richardson said. “Probably most of them we don’t put spurs on to start with. “Obviously, we want to teach them to be light off the leg and educate them. The need to go forward off your leg is the main thing in educating a horse.” “Whether you're riding a racehorse, a cutting horse, a jumping horse, a dressage horse - they all must be ridden off your leg, that's the main thing.” As Richardson explained, the use of spurs during the initial stages of a thoroughbred’s life is purely about education - an extra tool to teach them something fundamental - as opposed to an aid to get the most out of them on race day. “There's some that won’t go past a gap or are a bit negative, then we put a set of spurs on and it's all to do with the rider's leg to hand coordination,” he said. Blair Richardson | Image courtesy of Vantage Hill “You’ve got to be careful too, there's a lot of fillies that can be backward and a set of spurs can have a reverse effect, so it’s tricky. “If you have a horse that won't go, you're often better off to pony it along, look after it to get it to go, rather than using force and an artificial aid. “When you're dealing with 18 month old horses, it's not about force, it's got to be an educational process.” The evidence As in the first piece in this series, we consulted leading equine scientist Dr David Marlin to find out what the science says. Click here to read Focus on welfare: a common sense approach to racing in hot weather Marlin confirmed that there has been little research on the use of spurs, with a particular paucity around their use in racing. One study of Danish competition horses points to a picture of spurs being more likely to cause damage (hair loss and in rare cases bleeding) to horses at lower competition levels, whilst another from the UK found that FEI affiliated riders were 10 times more likely to use spurs than leisure riders, but that was still only 60 per cent of them. It’s hard to be confident, but perhaps this suggests, as Richardson inferred, that the choice to use spurs is not as simple as ‘fine for the professionals’. Regardless, Marlin pointed out an even more salient point, that may in time change the debate in Australia. Dr David Marlin | Image courtesy of Dr David Marlin He noted that thermal imaging was behind the drive to change whip design towards the modern iteration, and that if the as-yet-unstudied impact of spurs in racing was similarly visible then it could have a big impact on the welfare debate. A price worth paying? The question remains: Would Australian racing be missing out much if spurs were banned tomorrow, given it’s the only racing nation to allow them? “I think it would definitely affect Australian racing in some way and that's because they’ve been around for so long and are obviously working in some way,” Berry said. “For myself, if a horse isn't jumping out of the barriers properly and they're a bit laid back then it does definitely help to give them a bit of a wake up before they leave the gates, just so they know it's game on. “It's not about hurting them or anything like that, because it doesn't. It's just a little bit of a tickle to wake them up and say, ‘You're about to go, put your game face on.’ “I find it good as a tool for that, if I know a horse has come out a little bit slow on the pace.” But, this must surely be balanced against the perception issue that spurs present us with. Whilst their use is little discussed within the industry, and they often pass punters unnoticed on race day, spurs offer a target for animal rights activists, who attempt to frame the metal fixtures on jockey’s heels as a regular weapon of torture against our beloved thoroughbreds. This view might sound blatantly preposterous to those inside the camp, but it’s easy to see how such framing can be effective to those who don’t know how they’re actually used. Given that racing elsewhere around the world doesn’t seem to suffer for a lack of spurs, we have to ask whether it’s a price worth paying. We want your opinion! Do you think we should continue to allow spurs at the races? Yes No If you have any welfare topics that you believe should be explored, or opinions you would like to offer, please reach out to editorial@ttrausnz.com.au and let us know. Welfare Spurs Edition Article

but can in Au? " In Australia, riders can use spurs in racing and other events if they meet certain conditions, including: Using blunt spurs that are approved by Racing Australia, a PRA, or the Stewards Not using spurs in an excessive, unnecessary, or improper manner "

with spurs?

"the future here now" ps, it will be interesting to know there thoughts on add extra gear! and data and science behind their actions of using said gear!

pre auction, I liked the other one, only went for 675k talking expensive colts, TA lining up a interesting one on Saturday at pukee

fascinating insight into the Maher stable https://www.racing.com/videos/2024-11-20/life-on-mahers-episode-1

hopefully sincerely given!

just use his posts to practice mindfulness

have a look at them prerace, in their prelim and then around at the start! without that I Never place a bet!

(speaking to oneself!) What I learnt is what I knew, Racing, especially NZ, is drifting more and more behind when it comes to having a presence in the digital world, very much so when it comes to things History...

wow, I wonder how that will play out for the trainers that own properties in and around those places???

are there any precise handicaps in nz? if its not a precise handicap then is it a non-precise handicap?

what a progressive little club they are! deserve more respect!

lol! we do have a lot of naïve enthusiasm though! sigh! and plenty of sycophantic brown nosing as well! wow behold any '' realpolitik!

Using ChatGP, started with: "how many winners has Michael Pitman trained in NZ?" ChatGPT said: ChatGPT Searched 5 sites “Michael Pitman total winners trained New Zealand” bing.com Racing News NZ — Pitman chuffed with latest milestone | NZ Racing News racingnews.co.nz Racing News NZ — Michael Pitman on training his 2000th NZ winner loveracing.nz Loveracing — Miss Tycoon Rose sets special mark for Pitman | NZ Racing News racingnews.co.nz Loveracing — Pitman eyes landmark Saturday at Riccarton loveracing.nz Loveracing — Epee Beel brings up special milestone for Pitman loveracing.nz Michael Pitman, a renowned horse trainer in New Zealand, recently celebrated training his 2,000th winner in New Zealand with the victory of Epee Beel in April 2024. This milestone adds to his illustrious career spanning over four decades, primarily based at Riccarton. Michael Pitman and his son Matthew operate as a team and are well-known figures in South Island racing Racing News NZ Loveracing Loveracing . 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bollocks!

some interesting comments on prize money.

perhaps for that race??? but very much doubt so for the horses career going forward! I wonder how he would be handicapped if he is taken over to Au?

The Stewards’ Stakes was Mystic Park’s first shot at black-type level, and he had to carry a 59kg topweight against a 16-horse field that was mostly on 53kg.

INANE comes to mind! mrs said "do they get paid to do that!"

going the other way... "“He probably just over-raced a little bit on the first day,” Marsh said. “This time in, he’s feeling better and going better than he ever has before. He might have just got a bit too keen in the blinkers. The blinkers will come off for the Cup."