Murray Fish

share a list of your fast ones! but as we *know* you are nothing but a misogynous creton, eh! now feckoff back under the rock you always hide under!

one could also add in the number of horses in stable.. hench I reckon the Trainer that would come out way in front would be the one and only Mr N Eales

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics

As mentioned in the lead post "not to sure were Team Orange fit in to this sort of thing?" thanks for that

gee, and here is me thinking you knew all the 'rules' of things racing! as in "the best way to improve a horses chance of winning is getting new owners!"

needing 30 jockeys! it would be a few years since a meeting in nz had that many riding at one meeting

yip the LR site says he has 70 in work for 13 W's, I recall the standard comparison suggested by a old school scribe that a ratio of even ratio of w to starters was a true indication of skills..

wow, three things jump out to me, the size of some of the fields! rather tough on the punter! the challenge of the commentator in calling them, especially when the split to either side of the track! dare I mention the use of 'the whips' compare to NZ?

sadly so... especially so if you are say trying to research wins by trainers etc (as I have mentioned before) when they first set up the horse database it was decided to only start from 88/89! when it wasn't going to be that difficult to load in all the races/horses where there were records of! Talking wins and strike rates, just try and see the wins of NZ most successful ever Trainer! a current win ratio of 20... also, a better win rate doesn't actually mean that the owner might be paying less, as shown by perhaps the best ever trainers ratio! it didn't mean that the horse was not in work! also, are the Tab offering odds? and how are the wins for Team Orange, I not that last season they mentioned all the SI wins that the stable had...

they don't pay out on that stat!

Looking very interesting this season with just 6 meetings still to go. R Dennis 33 Parson's 32 Pitman]s 31 K Tyler 31 A Furlong 31 Anderton's 28 not to sure were Team Orange fit in to this sort of thing? Are TAB offering odds?

in foal I believe

what I found interesting was how this post appeared on my fb account (not the MF one) under a sponsored post by the Trackside NZ

correct, and a nice person as well!

Home news thoroughbreds George Simon: I've seen a lot in my time, this wasn't great George Simon • June 16th, 2025 4:52 PM Uncle Charlie, the winner of a severely disrupted Ken & Rodger Browne Memorial at Te Rapa on Saturday, June 14. Credit: Race Images. Over the years, I reckon I'd seen everything imaginable from my vantage point in the Commentary Box. Then I called the Ken and Roger Browne Memorial Steeplechase at Te Rapa last Saturday. If you haven't seen the race, go and have a squizz at the replay on the Trackside site. Sign-Up Offer Join TAB and enjoy up to $100 in bonus cash with our 400% deposit offer Max deposit $25. New customers only. T&Cs apply. R18 Bet Responsibly. Claim Now That will give context around this column. From an "entertainment" perspective I'm sure there were many who watched what unfolded barely believing what they were seeing. If watching horses and riders falling off and careering all over the racetrack is your cup of tea, then you were in your element. However, from a jumps racing enthusiast viewpoint, it wasn't what you wanted to see. I don't think many people were expecting what transpired as the small seven horse field of maiden steeplechasers set off on their 3900m, 17 fence journey. The first three fences were dispatched efficiently by all seven runners. Run of the mill stuff, nothing to report. Then the fun and games started, and quite literally the circus came to town. As the field moved out into "the country" by the 800m on their first of two laps, Zeefa Zed dislodged rider Emily Farr. Bad luck for connections and those punters who'd wagered on Zeefa Zed but thankfully horse and rider were uninjured. A few hundred meters later as the field made their way up the straight with just over a lap to go, the race took a dramatic twist. Hot favourite Countryman, ridden by Kylan Wiles crashed on landing after jumping the fence before the stand double. Unfortunately, Fabulous Nancy with Joshua Parker aboard, who'd been minding its own business back at the tail of the field, cannoned into the prone Countryman and unseated Parker. After starting with seven runners, we were down to four and hadn't even completed the first lap. But wait, as they say in those ubiquitous television advertisements, there's more. After all remaining runners cleared the stand double and made their way to the fence leaving the straight, one of the riderless horses cut in front of the leader Canulovemeagain just prior to the fence. This caused Canulovemeagain to baulk at the fence and essentially firing rider Corey Wiles into the fence. Right behind that runner was Muse with Hamish McNeill aboard, and after having to veer sharply to evade Canulovemeagain, McNeill was unbalanced and also unseated from his mount. Also caught up in that skirmish were the only other two runners, Uncle Charlie and Catch And Release. Fortunately for Uncle Charlie he had enough momentum up to scramble over the fence although his rider Portia Matthews nearly parted company on landing. Trust me, you can't make this stuff up. The only other survivor, Catch And Release had also got involved in the skirmish and hadn't jumped the fence, but importantly his rider Dean Parker was still in the saddle. So, with a lap still to run and six more fences still to negotiate, we were down to just Uncle Charlie and Catch And Release, provided they jumped the remaining fences. History tells us that Uncle Charlie did jump the remaining fences and went on to record a near 90 length winning margin over the only other finisher, Catch And Release. All horses and riders were uninjured which was a relief. But as a jumping fan myself, I have to say it wasn't a good look. Yes, there were extenuating circumstances with riderless horses creating havoc setting off a chain of barely believable events. https://bitofayarn.com Also, this was a maiden field, so these are some of the more inexperienced steeplechasers going around. However, with Jumps racing under the microscope from various quarters both inside and outside of the racing industry, I hope we don't see a repeat of what we saw last Saturday, anytime soon. Jumps racing can't afford that.

no, but great to see that her and Peter are having a great season! 17 wins and counting!

how many have you spoken to? I had a quick look through the SIZE & SCOPE OF THE NZ RACING INDUSTRY, lots of stats and photos of woman! but not a lot around gender...

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‘The trajectory is concerning’ - Australia’s biggest fixed odds punter exploring international opportunities By Tim Rowe - June 12, 2025 In a worrying sign for Australia’s racing authorities, one of the country’s highest turnover punters is switching more of his focus - and his investment - to overseas markets. Australia's biggest fixed odds punter is shunning domestic racing in favour of overseas jurisdictions. (Photo by Daniel Pockett/Getty Images) Australia’s biggest fixed odds punter is becoming increasingly concerned about the future of the country’s racing industry, prompting him to direct more of his resources into international betting markets. In what should ring alarm bells for principal racing authorities (PRAs) across thoroughbred, harness and greyhound racing, the professional gambler made the startling admission to The Straight, painting a bleak picture for what could be ahead for the country’s three codes. The punter, who has bet on racing professionally for two decades, has deliberately maintained a low public profile throughout his gambling career but he is widely respected by bookmakers, with his wagers regularly triggering significant market moves. He spoke freely but did not want to publicly disclose his identity. The Straight agreed to retain his anonymity in order to canvass a broad range of issues. In a wide-ranging interview, in which he revealed that he was focusing more of his time on overseas racing jurisdictions, the punter also said that: He believes that releasing early fixed odds markets is to the benefit of the racing industry. He favours tiered minimum bet limits, which take into account the market and the size of the bookmaker, as well as merged totaliser pools, and, Professional gamblers are foundational to the health and credibility of wagering markets. The respected racing gambler, who has derived his income primarily from betting on the three codes of racing since the 2000s, says the current landscape of Australia’s wagering industry and the outlook for its future poses issues for all participants including himself. “Regarding the Australian racing industry, primarily due to the current tax regime, if we model the past five years and project forward another five to 10, the trajectory is concerning,” he said. “To borrow Betfair terminology, I’d far rather be operating in the pink column than the blue - laying rather than backing. “Consequently, I’ve invested significantly in developing predictive models to enable wagering on various international jurisdictions such as Hong Kong.” Several of Australia’s biggest racing punters have turned their investment to Hong Kong over the years, with the promise of rebates and better liquidity. In recent years, larger professional players, such as Dr Nick and the groups led by Zeljko Ranogajec, have left the Australian market. The professional punter spoken to by The Straight for this article is now believed to be the nation’s highest turnover punter on fixed odds markets, while he also bets through the totaliser and Betfair. Corporate bookmaking sources indicated to The Straight that the punter consistently wins at 12 per cent profit on turnover via fixed odds markets. While he has proven his ability to beat the market, despite decreasing odds, he said “many marginal, sharp, or semi-sharp players have been forced out of the game due to rising market percentages, driven largely by increased taxation”, leading to “a less efficient, less liquid market for everyone”. He argues that the increased rate of taxation placed on wagering by PRAs and governments, such as the Point of Consumption Tax (POCT), had proven to be detrimental to all punters who bet on racing. ‘It’s a faceless game’ - Punters urge changes to reinvigorate racing “Market percentage is a direct function of turnover elasticity across all segments of punters,” he said. “While recreational bettors may not consciously notice the impact of slightly worse odds, their experience subtly changes. “Over time, their bankrolls deplete faster, reducing overall engagement, even if they can't articulate the precise cause.” A concerted overhaul of the taxation of gambling on would stop the significant decline of wagering turnover in the past few years, he said. The professional punter predicts that racing’s funding model “will continue to be put under pressure, that prize money will stagnate at best” and that it “won’t get any easier from any stakeholder’s perspective”. “Given the tax regime, it’s not an easy fix. Supply-side inefficiencies (operators and liquidity) and demand-side friction (punters' experience and incentives) both need to be addressed,” he said. “I don’t have a silver bullet, although a rebalancing of the tax regime is required. We have breached the revenue-maximising threshold, which has/will ironically result in less revenue for the industry and government (to) the point at which all are worse off.” Asked about the recent decision by Tabcorp (and Bet365) to stop posting early fixed odds prices 24 and 48 hours before some thoroughbred meetings, which led to a stalemate amongst other corporate bookmakers without a “market leader”, the professional gambler said he was “agnostic” to the changing dynamic. “However, posting markets later has significant downside for industry stakeholders,” he said. The Hong Kong Jockey Club offers a structured rebate scheme for punters. (Photo by Vince Caligiuri/Getty Images) “The shift impacts engagement from owners, trainers, media presenters, jockeys, tipsters, punters, and others. Undoubtedly, the cost will be greater than the consensus believes it to be.” He also argues that professional punters, who ultimately shape the official starting prices, helped the overall integrity of racing, indicating that “our fixed odds markets aren’t efficient enough until very late in betting”. “Efficient markets reduce risk for bookmakers, allowing them to price more competitively and confidently, such as market percentages on metropolitan meetings set lower than a corresponding field size on country or provincial racing,” he said. “With sharper markets, there's less need for excessive margins or early overreactions, which benefits punters and sustains engagement. “In contrast, illiquid or erratic markets generate unstable pricing, often mistaken for integrity risks. Wild fluctuations undermine public trust and attract scrutiny. “More accurate pricing is not just a technical win - it’s a structural benefit for everyone.” He said trainers, owners, punters, stewards, and regulators all operate with more confidence when markets reflect genuine, informed opinion rather than noise. Straight Talk Special: Insights from pro punters Nick Heathcote and John Walter on racing’s greatest challenges “In short, professional money isn’t a distortion – it’s the corrective force that keeps the market fair, trusted, and sustainable,” he said. Questioned about totalisator rebates offered to select syndicates and punters, he said “rebate systems are effective when introduced within an equitable and transparent framework”. “The Hong Kong Jockey Club offers a structured rebate program available to all players who meet the minimum wagering requirements,” he said. “After years of decline, betting revenue started an upward trend since the introduction of the rebate system.” Publicised rebates in Hong Kong are 10 per cent for win and place bets over HK$10,000 and 12 per cent for Quinella and Quinella Place/Duet markets. The punter believed that the growing popularity of the same race multi-bet type among corporate bookmaker account holders had led to the ongoing decline of the tote, the once-dominant force in Australian racing. One of Australia's biggest professional punters says tote pools will continue to struggle for liquidity. (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images) “Not only has the SRM product had an impact on tote liquidity, importantly, there is less recreational money in the tote pools in favour of the SRM product,” he said. “This has led to Australian tote pools becoming even more competitive. The edge has eroded for marginal players, triggering a quiet but persistent exit of liquidity providers that further accelerates the decline in tote viability. “Putting the negative impact of the SRM product on tote pools aside, it is clear that there have been some significant industry benefits since the popularisation of this product.” That point of view echoes that of fellow professional John Walter in a recent edition of the Straight Talk podcast, Tabcorp is seeking to achieve its single totalisator pool by merging SuperTAB, NSW TAB and UTAB pools, an undertaking that current CEO Gillon McLachlan has given publicly since being appointed to lead the wagering company last year. It is something Australia’s top professional punter believes is a necessity. “Given the consistent decline in our totes, this needs to happen. Merged tote pools will bring additional liquidity and, therefore, industry revenue,” he said.

The ever reality in the history of nz racing. Does that really count for much nowadays? who knows, it might have been 'better' in a Chinese billionaire brought it!

racing doesn't get much coverage nowadays on the likes of Stuff, when it does it is often around getting Clicks... https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360725030/extraordinary-senses-only-two-horses-finish-chaotic-steeplechase

https://newsroom.co.nz/2021/05/13/where-is-she-now-debbie-henderson/

good to see!