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Oh do behave Chief...Thatcher and Douglas never had an original ideain their lives and have been thoroughly discredited. Werner is respected internationally and in another league to those two dullards.

Personally using Yes Yes Yes and Coolmore who seem to have a few...clues as an exampl...the Everest. It's against all comers and not restricted to 2 y.o's. A filly/mare winning the Everest would clearly become more valuable as a breeding proposition.

Yes few may be chosen. People work to make...money to sustain their lives.-trainers,jockeys,service people and so on. There are some tax breaks and various incentives for investment in racing . If you are isolating ownership of horses and making a profit,you will find like most business activity 'it's lonely at the top...and crowded at the...bottom'. Some entrepreneurial types mitigate risk,they don't breed,own,train,or ride horses but still make a grand living by organising those that...do.

Try the Bank of England site...Richard Werner....educate yourself . God know's what you think the substance of Western Capitalism...is.Mind you it's not taught widely,they'd rather you didn't know.

No. Just the reality...you do not want to...accept.🙉

Coolmore,Chris Waller and others...read it and weep... Won the Gr.2 Todman Stakes at 2 in record-breaking time! "a dynamic performance from an exceptional horse" jockey Blake Shinn, after the Gr.2 Todman Stakes Won the richest race on turf, the $14 million Everest, defeating 10 Gr.1 winners & older horses as the only 3YO in the race! "Perhaps the best sprinter on the planet" Chris Roots, Sydney Morning Herald, 19th October 2019 "A record-breaking performance in Saturday’s $14 million The Everest has put a 3-year-old on top of the sprinting world, sending his potential stud value into the stratosphere." TDN AusNZ, 20th October 2019

Off on another tangent....again. I stated exactly what Ellis said.....'doesn't have to share'! The racing industry is like any industry=about making MONEY. I expect 3y.o's to play a big role in the Everest,going forward and it would be a very rare pessimist who would think winning it would not have a significant impact on...breeding value. And ,your views on the Karaka Millions regarding breeding 'value' and their significance regarding....a measure of ..class.

The only 3y.o colt to win is at stud. Nature Strip won it and went to the U.K and won. The 6 winners so far have back up form in Australia,recognised for their sprinters all around the...world. Breeders value performance at the highest level....performers like thos that contest the Everest. A filly,colt,mare or entire would exponentially increase its value by winning the Everest. I seriously doubt that I am alone in holding this opinion. I notice you avoided your 'form' on 'orchestrated sweepstakes'.😜

You are twisting again. You expect me to join your dots to bolster your ever changing view point. You said.....'why breeders would assign value to winning the Everest over a couple if Group 1's? Note the omission of the word...'more'. It may have eluded ..you...but the Everest attracts a first class,QUALITY field....every year. Being the world's richest race is another plus. You seem to hunt with the hounds and chase with the hares regarding your views on 'orchestrated sweepstakes races'. Your comments on the Karaka millions and their status...confirm...this.😜

Very good so now it's a couple of Grp 1's😄..compare to your original statement-'Black type adds residual value when she is sold -' -um Black type is not restricted to Grp1's...(I can teach you something new on a daily basis). Your methodology of debate is laughable.=twist and try and reframe your original premise when you realise it's tenuous. One for you ,anyway-do you think winning the worlds richest race would add any residual value to a broodmare?-not a trick question.😄

One day you may figure out how the Capitalist system works. Hint ,it relies on spending and boosting interest bearing DEBT....debt is an asset in the scheme,especially when if it overwhelms you...a Govt bailout...awaits. You can bluff,lie and bluster but the facts destroy your feeble propositions. Stick to making hay,methane or...whatever you...do.

If you think breeders would assign little value to winning an Everest......think...again.🙄

It's about the money. Ellis said he doesn't like having to share the spoils in the Everest. He would have done the sums re how much he ...gets.

Who cares ,completely irrelevant. You using the Luxon method....caught out so deflect.Hopeless,debating quality at Lincoln must have been very,very,...poor. I explained how the GFC came about.You just refuse to accept,regardless of...the facts.

So you were lying....70% 'at the moment'....when the discussion is about circa 2008.

90% of the market!I think you are up to the old righty trick of making shit up. Produce your evidence....come on...👈

Young horse.Plenty more in...store.

For you -were AAA rated mortgages bundled and sold to various financial institutions? -was the biggest mortgage insurer A.I.G deemed insolvent? -was T.A.R.P directed at bailing out over stretched private businesses? 3 simple questions. If you want to learn about who caused the GFC...try a readily available and highly rated doco-'Inside Job'. Cherry picking a couple of coys who were bailed out ,you neglect to mention the homeowners that they provided credit to all got stiffed and lost their homes! Hopeless.🙄 I'm guessing you are blind because you were born into...privelege.

Suggest you stop repeating the pathetic excuse trotted out by the establishment and dig deeper...as I have already pointed out to you re the securitisation of mortgages and the corruption of ratings and..insurance. You can never accept ..reality.The truth is unpalatable to your indoctrinated mindset.🙄

Complete drivel. I said start your research with Lehmans,not it started with Lehmans. You brush over the role of the banks in bundling mortgages and selling them off as AAA securities,and insurers like A.I.G who were severley over exposed. Liars loans,teaser rates,robo signings and blatant fraud was the M.O of the big financial titans....whether you choose to believe it...or not!⛈️

All fact!Nothing incoherent at all. You don't know what you're talking about. Get your google eyes working and do some research.Start with Lehmans,then A.I.G,then ratings agencies,then the big banks,then Tim Geithner,Paulson,Jester. 🙄

Repeating yourself constantly does not give your jaundiced opinion any gravitas!😄 Freddie and Fannie were but two institutions that were fuelled by naked greed for bonus that became basket cases. You seem to have forgotten,Lehmans,AIG,C/Wide,Citi,and most of the other big private banks who had their hands out for taxpayer..rescue. Hank Paulson who lobbied succcessfully to bail out Wall St at the expense of mainstreet was of course a former Goldman/Sachs big wig. It was an absolute debacle and an indictment on the very foundations of western Capitalism=a shameless,sham.🦨

If being bailed out is 'market forces'😂...!get some help. The lenders were private companies-comprenez,they indulged in teaser rates,robo signings,fraud,market manipulation and general chicanery in collusion with ratings companies and insurers. You are out of your depth when you attempt to debate economics and geo politics.

Bit of an anodyne statement there Freda. There are some on the NZ rich list who succeeded through initiative,creativity and determination....not very many though. Most on the list will involve acquisition of Govt/the commons assets for wholesale prices. Care to present some..examples.

NO,NO.....NO....the rationale is always....the private sector is more efficient and will improve performance. The standouts in mismanagement are primarily in the private sector. A great example the GFC....financial mismanagement exacerbated by naked greed and chicanery-as usual the taxpayers pickup the tab to bail out incompetency.