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Better than the 3 I backed!

I don't usually do comps but might come up with a variant of the BP for this one. My generalised population stats suggest it should produce slightly better results than the BP if applied before the races. It won't have a dog's show against the BP applied after the races though.

I'm all for free speech however stupid it may seem to be. We all have a choice about what we read or believe. On the other hand, I hate to think that people might be misled, especially if that ends up costing them money. Whatever, I'd say caveat emptor applies and a bit of diligence on BOAY would well inform anyone about the risks of the BP.

Not a doll, a princess I think.

Yep, it'll need a comp where entries close "at the start of racing on each day" but the day after the events you are betting on. I assumed that's what you meant in your rules? Should be a close contest that way too.

Looks pretty good at evens right now. Probably be a BP bet tomorrow.

You've made no case for that. Stakes should be directly in relation to revenue generated, not geography. On that basis it will probably be closer to the other way round. Where would the extra money come from for your proposal?

That's called competition, I think. Most other industries have it. For some reason, this one wants the inefficient, poor product an economical operations to be subsided by the rest and from the proceeds of other business.

They were dipping and diving in heat 2 and had to put cones out to complete the 6 trial meeting. Perhaps there's not many want to run a decent horse on that track even for 100 or 200k?

Probably borrowed a plastic repair kit from Thommo.

And the 8 or 10 I put up ... I think that's closer than 20 .... but Thommo can't count let alone understand much ....were between 20 and 30/1 .... all before the race too. I don't bet on over 7-10% chances so I can put those up without affecting my chances of getting on at value. Since I bet on the tote. I probably needed one winner in 20-25 bets to make a profit.

That's what I'm saying exactly. Don't see any sign of it though.

If you look at the new funding model their solution to that is to reduce the rating bands so that R85s become R82s and the average rating horse in that race will be open class in future

And I think Saundry's suggestion is nuts. Any useful change needs strong leadership, not a wishy washy you go sort it out between you in your regions. And the idea of putting something in place that will last 50 years is a nonsense. That's partly how we got in the mess we are in operating on a 50 year old model. FFS, completely hopeless and I see no way forward here now.

Can't see the case for building a racecourse close to an airport. Needs to be close to the horses in training like Sydney and Melbourne. How many horses in training in Auckland again? Some bright spark once said "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Seems like that's what you and Thommo and NZTR and Messara want to do. Need to lower industry costs and generate more wagering revenue if you ask me. Not going to happen racing in Auckland.

From your posts, you certainly don't suggest that you do. Try thinking.

I'd say one decent facility in the Waikato, scrap all the Auckland tracks. Racing, the odd carnival aside, is no longer about proximity to human population. Needs to be proximal to the horse population to mitigate costs, which is in the Waikato. Pointless having a track in or near Auckland with no horses there for mine.

Certainly not NZTR evidently.

Yeahh, it did sweat up a bit and applying the BP principles, over-raced early and was very unlucky in the straight, so with blinkers off, over a shorter trip might be the go next time, especially if down in class.

Yip. Working again now.

Absolutely, and if subsequent performances make that look like a one off and a competent handicapper is assessing on merit then why would they be stuck in high class for ages? That's mad. And why would trainers/owners go ballistic? I thought they were the ones wanting higher stakes and for that they need races generating more revenue. That's the whole point of a handicap system. Otherwise just run all races at SW and see how many horses are going round a year later.

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That's the whole point of a handicapping system isn't it? To equalise chance and not to gift good horses a few easy wins in non-competitive and unattractive betting races on the way through. If Far Lap is that good and doesn't like his re-handicap, he can go straight to WFA races. We are trying to increase wagering revenue here, not reduce it.