Brodie

Probably be larger as they wont be walking the dogs?

Can not be correct Galah? Brad Steele says everything is positive, he said so when Greg O’Connor interviewed him a few months back? I know in a couple of years there are going to be a lot of harness participants sho are going go be very irate at how HRNZ have handled the money from Entain!. Probably wont worry them cos they will be gone.

Fair enough Gamma. Lets have 8 or 9 horses races on every programme so that owners have more chance of getting some stake money! What I would be betting on is that harness racing in NZ will be gone in 10 years if not sooner through lack of participants, lack of punting and lack of horses! It is going to be bad enough in 2 years when the stakes are going to be slashed and there will be owners and breeders running fir the hills.

Gamma, not used to gallopers finishing down the track at all, as I do not invest on them! Too hard to follow form, so I dont touch them! You mention when they had 11 or 12 horses over the mile at Albion park, if you were out the back you had no chance! Rest my case, mile racing is not what harness should be running over! Horrible boring racing on all tracks in NZ.

Reality is that those that support the banning of greyhound racing must also support the extinction of the greyhound breed from NZ forever! I understand that the dogs are being desexed now, and despite the fact that greyhounds make good pets, we are going to eventually see no greyhounds in our streets being walked! shame really.

If that happens in NZ thrn you might as well turn out the lights! Mile racing is just so boring and doesnt attract wagering from serious punters! To attract new punters and enthusiasts to harness racing they need racing to be over longer distances than a mile. Just isnt a fair contest and there is no doubt ownership will drop, but then again the ones making the decisions arent owners or punters and with little business success.

Regards the closing if greyhounds due supposedly to cruelty to the animals? How hypocritical is it surely that NZ isnt able to wager on NZ dogs as it is too cruel, and yet we are able to wager on Austrslian greyhound racing?? Clearly the Ozzie dog racing isnt as cruel or we wouldnt be allowed to wager on it? Absolute lunacy to can greyhounds in NZ and wipe out the greyhound breed totally. Far better to Close down the Green Party and The Maori Party for the cruelty they would cause NZ citizens should there be enough losers who vote for the LEFTY Losers!

So how much does Entain have to give racing when the 5 years is up? Significantly higher turnover will bring bigger profits, maybe not yield wise but bigger profit overall. Yes some punters will do well but many punters will lose more as well! Where is it written that a gambling agency is only required to take wagering from losing punters? They put up the odds for punters to wager on and then only take the wagering from who they want? With the monopoly that the NZ TAB has now, they should be treating everyone with the same respect! If they want to have these restrictions, then restrict everyone to the same amount, that is my point!

Chief, I appreciate that the odds need to be set right for fixed odds! However there is generally a 30% margin approx. in favour of the TAB and so how on earth can they not be making money?. The bigger the turnover the more they can make, just like Briscoes etc. they have big turnover and make a % profit on that. Far better to encourage spending and make % profit on big turnover than making larger yield on much lower turnover by putting punters off! If they want to have betting restrictions on punters then so be it, but have those betting restrictions on every punter in NZ, just corrupt to be singling out some! They take a bet and then slash odds so that it is not attractive for other punters, so lose turnover. At the end of the day, that is the way they think is best for them to operate, however we will wait and see if it is going to be beneficial for NZ racing! It wont be!!

Certainly can say that I have no idea how the TAB used to operate with staff numbers etc. and do not know the day to day operations under Entain! However I do know that previously they had issues that needed addressing and this was selling out half the ownership for 25 years to An overseas gambling business Entain. Many thought this was going to be the saviour for the TAB with 900million being paid for the half share for the 25 years. This deal is very very short sighted in my opinion as once the $900m is wasted, what are we going to have for loss of half the profit? What I do know and it is probably the same with all gambling agencies worldwide is a business that has no scruples and acts and treats their customers with little ethics. Time is going to tell but unfortunately I believe that the NZ racing industry is in deep trouble, the TAB/Entain will be fine as they will survive off Sports Betting and online gambling in the years to come!

They are for WIN fixed odds only! There are other bets apart from WIN bets, its called Top 3!

Interesting! Does anyone know where the Bookies that set the odds are based or is it set by computers from Oz and algorithms do the rest?

So selling out to Entain has cost a lot of New Zealanders their jobs! They were meant to be guaranteed employment with the TAB for I believe 2 years minimum, but we know they started getting rid of staff pretty early on! Anyway they will not need many staff in NZ once the guaranteed funding to racing stops, all be done out of Oz!

Entain would be happy if they just had the sports and online gambling that is what they wanted all along. Low cost and big reward, and that is what they will be aiming for in a couple of years! TAB and McAnulty were wrong in going with Entain for the betterment of racing! Anyone know how many are still employed at Petone or is everything being done from Oz? Are there many Bookies remaining or is it being done by computers??

Chief, personally think the way they are operating their business is poor! They must be haemorrhaging big time losing potential income by their restrictions and odds slashing. At the end of the day the odds are always in their favour so why dont they operate that way?