Brodie

If HRNZ wasnt getting all this cash would they be running this race fir 12k is the wuestion that needs to be asked? No they would not be and it would not be run in 2 years time when the money dries up! when all this talk of positivity from Brad Steele comes to fruition and these breeding bonuses etc. come good and we have all these 2 year olds around ready to race, then all good! 👍 Just would not be holding my breath! It is really hard to understand why the Racing Minister is allowing racing to operate the way it is with the big spending, when they were bailed out to the tune of $900m? The thing is they have also signed away half of their future profits, so things are not going to be pretty in a couple of years for racing!, unless someone can refute what Brodie is saying?

4 horse 2 year old race at Addington Thursday nite for $12k? Yes you can say it is February and we need 2 year old racing, but seriously how can they think that this is not ridiculous as it is just a continuation of losses for HRNZ? Why $12k for 4 horses???? Give them a 12k bonus as well as plenty of Entain money still!

Correct the ratings band system does not work! Most races has such a wide range so pointless when there is often 20 points difference? They definitely need another brainstorming system and debate about the way things are tracking!

You are wasting your time commenting Galah! It just falls on deaf ears and they have got plenty of $ to splash around when it isnt their own! At the end of the day Gamma is probably correct, that the owners and trainers take it while it is being offered! I still believe that many think that it is going to continue like it currently is, but I can see it going into statutory management in the future due to mismanagement. With respect anyone with any semblance of business acumen, csn see the writing on the wall but anyway punters need to make hay while they can lol

Not that bad, not one nomination for the 2year old male pace for $17k! HRNZ really need to pull their head out of the sand and stop denying the actual reality of what is happening? If they dont then things are going to get very dire! We need A spokesman for HRNZ to start conversing with the public as to how they think they can continue when the cash is all gooooone!

The TAB turnover is exaggerated by all these bonus csh, bonus bets and the bets being refunded if your horse doesnt win but runs 2nd or 3rd! This would clearly distort the true amount of turnover as they will be getting no return whatsoever from the money they are given out. They do this to try and get the smaller punters hooked on racing and turn away the loyal punters who will dramatically increase turnover?

Agree to disagree Galah! Personably believe it has to be run as a business and not the way it currently is! No way would any successful business ever be able to spend more money than they are receiving and survive. A struggling business that received money like the TAB has should always utilise it to better the company! The problem with the TAB as a business is that the ones who are making these decisions are on big salaries and have no financial interest in it! If they did have their own money in it, they would not be making these poor decision! Apart from Gamma, does anyone have any confidence that harness is going go be able to be more than a shell in 5 years time?

Not going to get personal as it achieves nothing, however I firmly believe that we need people at HRNZ with business success. I know from experience that there are some people that get appointed to positions not for their ability but because of being mates or because it suits there agenda! There is just so much wrong coming out of HRNZ that it is really going to have a bad result for harness racing in the future, but hey HRNZ PR thinks it is all good? Personally think it is long overdue for a review of what HRNZ is currently doing for the good of the industry, if things dont change there is not going to be an industry!!!!!

Not too sure why we want horses like Leap To Fame, Swayzee, Kingman and the Ozzie trotters racing in NZ. Yes many enthusiasts do like to watch the fast class racing, however is it really in the best interests for NZ harness? The biggest stake money is not staying in NZ at the moment when we actually need it staying in NZ! We used to have the NZ horses going to Oz and plundering many of the big race stake money, and do you think the Ozzies liked it? Gamma states that several of the Ozzie states racing is basically bankrupt and being held together by Individuals and the state governments! And here we have these ozzies making the financial decisions that affect our racing?? Anyway, at least we have started to have a Summer finally!

Gamma, the thing is they should not be racing for the stake money they currently are!!! It should have been used far more wisely than they have and ultimately the buck stops with Brad Steele! The stakes they have put up they just can not afford, only being paid due to the Entain cash splash. There are going to be a helluva lot of owners and trainers give it away when they are racing for significantly what they are currently racing for.

Gamma, you are never in the bad books loo you did hit the nail on the head with your last comment! “they might run out of money in 2 years”. Nothing surer than them running out of money again, even though they were given a lifeline! Personally believe that they have acted irresponsibly and it will be shown as such!! If We are wrong then how about someone come on to BOAY and totally dispel what we are saying, it is not hard to do that?

Gamma, do not think there are Cheap Shots being fired at Brad Steele at all! I believe that if you asked Canterbury based harness enthusiasts if they thought harness racing is viable in the future with the way the Entain cash splash has been used, most would say no. It is very easy to spend other peoples money as it is no detriment to their own finances. Gamma, you are allowed obviously to think that the racing is great and owners and trainers are doing well at the moment due to HRNZs actions! Personally do not think they have done a very good job at all with the opportunity they have had, but the truth of the matter will come in the next year or two as to who is right?? Due to the decisions they have made, unfortunately I believe they are going to be in a dire situation finance wise. Entain shareholders are going go be getting 50% of the profit as far as I understand after the 5 years but am unaware of what level of funding for harness racing they have to provide? It would only be a guess as to what the stakes are going to be in 2 years time so no point, however it is going to be significantly less than they are now!

Anyone know for certain that the Committee was formed? Did they actually have a meeting? What has come from this meeting if it actually happened?? Nothing at all?? Lost cause?? Anything decided??

Biggest gambling problem for some is being able to get enough money on! The AML limit of $1k is another gambling problem! At the end of the day it is going to affect the TAB far more than Brodie

At the end if the day, there has to be some personal responsibility from all of us. If you are a poor punter do you seriously believe the TAB will restrict you? If you can afford to wager larger amounts then why is the TAB restricting these punters? Total hypocrisy! Anyone know did the big meeting that Winston wanted actually happen ? Never heard a thing??