Chief Stipe Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 9, 2023 Author Share Posted September 9, 2023 Plus all the big races at Hastings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Good ride from Mickey Dee too. Thought he was too far back. Tokyo Tycoon -awesome,another Rich Hill Stud product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Good ride from Mickey Dee too. Thought he was too far back. Tokyo Tycoon -awesome,another Rich Hill Stud product. Showed the benefit of holding her up a bit too. I guess the stable have the instructions correct now. What's the fixation with Rich Hill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Showed the benefit of holding her up a bit too. I guess the stable have the instructions correct now. What's the fixation with Rich Hill? No fixation....just observing great stallion selection in a competitive market. What's your fixation with TA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 3 hours ago, holy ravioli said: No fixation....just observing great stallion selection in a competitive market. What's your fixation with TA? Maybe we are the similar then - applaud excellence rather than promote mediocrity. All that young blood at Te Akau seems to be working! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 Based on these sectionals Craig Williams shouldn't beat himself up that much. Although even JMac makes the same mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 What mistake did JMac ..make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 29 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: What mistake did JMac ..make? got beaten on the horse in March race by Artorius. it's always a mistake when you get beaten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 30 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: What mistake did JMac ..make? Went too early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 Just now, Gammalite said: got beaten on the horse in March race by Artorius. it's always a mistake when you get beaten. Went too early. That's the lesson from the McEwen for both Giga Kick and Imperatriz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Imperatriz was amazing, hats off for that performance, exhilarating turn of foot. As for TA domination at Hastings, well that's just more ho hum , nothing unexpected men vs boys here in NZ with the fire power they have in the 3yo ranks unfortunately. Tokyo Tycoon winning champion 2yo , if this is true that makes racing in this country a huge joke! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 11, 2023 Author Share Posted September 11, 2023 No Deal: Imperatriz team shun Everest offers Imperatriz will stay in Victoria for the spring. Picture: Vince Caligiuri—Getty Images. By Trenton Akers 12:02pm • 11 September 2023 0 Comments Kiwi super sprinter Imperatriz will stay in Victoria after connections knocked back offers for The Everest following her monster win in the Group 2 McEwen Stakes at Moonee Valley on Saturday. Te Akau racing boss David Ellis confirmed the mare would head to the Group 1 Moir Stakes (1000m) later this month, after getting bombarded with offers from Everest slot holders over the weekend. Ellis said the motivation for staying in Melbourne was simple. "We haven't been offered a deal that we think reflects her ability in The Everest, so we will keep her in Melbourne," he told Racenet. "She has won good races right-handed, but I think she is a fraction better left-handed. "The final day at Flemington (Group 1 Champions Spring) is her goal, it is a $3m race and you don't have to split it with anyone. Imperatriz will have her next two starts in Group 1 company at Moonee Valley. Picture: Vince Caligiuri — Getty Images. "We look at every horse as an individual and we think it is the right thing to do with Imperatriz. "We couldn't have asked for a better start to the campaign, Ben Gleeson is doing an incredible job for us and the staff there are high quality, it is exciting." The five-time Group 1 winner is a raging hot $2.25 favourite to win the Moir and is $2.75 to win the Manikato, both races also at Moonee Valley. While fellow Kiwi Mick Dee was in the saddle for her demolition job on Saturday, a jockey change is looking likely, with champion hoop Opie Bosson set to make the trip to Melbourne. "Opie has the first choice to ride her, but if he can't for whatever reason, we would love to have Mick Dee on again," Ellis said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Giving the ride to Opie is a mistake imo.For all his undoubted ability there are at least another 6 Victorian jockeys as good, that have the advantage of track knowledge and don't have to contend with the bias that exists for visitors who effectively...'cut their lunch'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 12, 2023 Author Share Posted September 12, 2023 46 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: that have the advantage of track knowledge Like this jockey? I think Moonee Valley runs pretty true - just don't go before the school unless you are Waverley Star or Bonecrusher! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 12, 2023 Author Share Posted September 12, 2023 By Richard Callander 05:38pm • 12 September 2023 1 Comments Craig Williams, what were you doing? I know Giga Kick was beaten but Willo you broke every rule in the jockey's handbook. You came out and said you rode a bad race and you could have cost Giga Kick a win in the McEwen Stakes. In all the years I have been going to the races, and I was going in nappies, I have never heard a jockey say he rode a bad race and losing was his fault. It's usually bad luck or the actions of others but never the individual's own fault. Strike me lucky, next thing you know a footballer will be saying he played poorly and should be dropped. Heaven forbid. From where I watched up in Sydney, Craig Williams certainly did not ride a 10 out of 10 race but I also saw the Kiwi mare Imperatriz sweep past the chestnut as though he was glued to the track and give him an absolute pasting. Would Giga Kick have won, however, if Williams rode him differently? I don't think so. Credit where credit is due, it was an absolutely scintillating performance from Imperatriz and as easy a win in a high class 1000m sprint as I have seen for a long time. But no Everest, why? I'm not buying they want to stay in Melbourne. I think there is something else as to why Imperatriz won't line up in the world's best sprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 12, 2023 Author Share Posted September 12, 2023 I Wish I Win? I'm surprised the mafia conspiracy theorists haven't come up with a Waikato Breeders angle on why Imperatriz won't be going to the Everest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 13, 2023 Author Share Posted September 13, 2023 Two different opinions on Imperatriz tackling Everest! MW: Benny, a lot are questioning why Imperatriz's owners aren't running her in the $20m Everest but it's a slot race. The owners have to split the winnings with the slotholders and invariably the slotholders do better out of the deal. As an example my old man's horse, Gytrash, ran third in The Everest in 2020 which was $1.3 million prizemoney. Without saying exactly what the owners received, it was a lot less than half of the $1.3 million by the time the slotholder, jockey and trainer took their slice. A deal might be 50/50 if they win but further down the placings they go, the slotholder usually takes more of a cut. In contrast, Gytrash won his next start in the Yes Yes Yes Stakes and the owners pocketed $1.13 million because there was no slotholder involved. BD: I'm one of those questioning why she's not running in The Everest. I'd donate one of my kidneys if she couldn't run top four. In my opinion, The Everest and the Cox Plate are Australia's two biggest and most popular races these days. If you're a top level sprinter, it's a bit gun-shy not to race for the huge cash against the other elite sprinters in the big race in Sydney. If I owned a horse with half the ability of Imperatriz and was offered an Everest slot, I'd take it before the slotholder could say ‘Evere .. ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 On 12/09/2023 at 8:35 PM, Chief Stipe said: I Wish I Win? I'm surprised the mafia conspiracy theorists haven't come up with a Waikato Breeders angle on why Imperatriz won't be going to the Everest. I actually think its the right move for her to not go, you'd have to think the field she will be up against won't be much given whose off to the Everest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 13, 2023 Author Share Posted September 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, Huey said: I actually think its the right move for her to not go, you'd have to think the field she will be up against won't be much given whose off to the Everest. I agree. I can't see The Everest lasting forever. Sooner or later slot holders will get the stitch and there isn't an endless pool of new slotholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I agree. I can't see The Everest lasting forever. Sooner or later slot holders will get the stitch and there isn't an endless pool of new slotholders. What do you base your assumptions on?Gut feeling!My understanding is there is no shortage of interest in holding a slot...and no shortage of wealthy people in ..racing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 14, 2023 Author Share Posted September 14, 2023 36 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: What do you base your assumptions on?Gut feeling!My understanding is there is no shortage of interest in holding a slot...and no shortage of wealthy people in ..racing. It's my opinion based on observation of slot churn, who the current slot holders are and the fact that it isn't that lucrative to the horse owners unless they own the Slot. Also the race is dominated by three or four horses generally. Easier options and more value to owners to race in the Group races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 24 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: It's my opinion based on observation of slot churn, who the current slot holders are and the fact that it isn't that lucrative to the horse owners unless they own the Slot. Also the race is dominated by three or four horses generally. Easier options and more value to owners to race in the Group races. What are the stats for 'slot churn' that you are relying..on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 14, 2023 Author Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: What are the stats for 'slot churn' that you are relying..on? I think there has been roughly 20+ slot holders in 6 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Just now, Chief Stipe said: I think there has been roughly 20+ slot holders in 6 years. You know how many starters there are I presume....where's the..churn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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