Guest CrossCodes Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I know there are a few fans of this horse on here, I thought it would be a good each way chance myself tonight but was once again slaughtered by Trevor Grant. If I have another bet on a driver like this again please shoot me! 4 and 5 wide early till it finally gets parked, could have got the lead if he had pushed it a bit more but ended up stick there the rest of the race, stuck on well for 4th but you really have to ask yourself what these old men drivers think when they get out on the track, do they truely believe they are actually doing the best by their horses by driving them themselves? Hes just one example, there are many more, but fair dinkum the horse deserves better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 At least the blokes trying. Its not like he was a $2.10 favourite giving the impression its waiting for a penalty free race the following week. Give me trevor grant any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 To be honest, horse is very much a grinder type. When it has won, it usually sat parked. It battled ok, but surprised me that it raced at addington, thought a moist methven track would be right up its alley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, the galah said: At least the blokes trying. Its not like he was a $2.10 favourite giving the impression its waiting for a penalty free race the following week. Give me trevor grant any day. Just read the stipes report on the zsa zoe drive. Driver not even questioned. Unreal job by the stipes.If that had been Trevor Grant he would have got at least 3 months for not driving the horse on its merits. Personally I put that drive in the johny white category. At least that's my opinion. Edited October 11, 2018 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 7 hours ago, the galah said: Just read the stipes report on the zsa zoe drive. Driver not even questioned. Unreal job by the stipes.If that had been Trevor Grant he would have got at least 3 months for not driving the horse on its merits. Personally I put that drive in the johny white category. At least that's my opinion. Did have that, Out for a run feel about it. Mind you, i backed suger cane, so i am happy. Thought siren would go into sugar cane, seemed driver moved down to get good early run, think another runner was checked? Not sure if it locked wheels with trev 400m out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Lawrence McCormick is one of those drivers who always drives well from limited opportunities. His winning drive last night was one of those drives where everything fell into place and he made all the right moves at all the right times. You got a good price Newmarket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 12 hours ago, the galah said: Just read the stipes report on the zsa zoe drive. Driver not even questioned. Unreal job by the stipes.If that had been Trevor Grant he would have got at least 3 months for not driving the horse on its merits. Personally I put that drive in the johny white category. At least that's my opinion. galah, I watched it, I just can't see it to be honest. If that drive was worth investigating then half the others on the programme could be too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: galah, I watched it, I just can't see it to be honest. If that drive was worth investigating then half the others on the programme could be too. Will have to agree to disagree. The horse has always gone forward in previous mobile starts,,was very heavily restrained for at least the first 500m partly because the leaders were not going fast,continued to sit at rear throughout with plenty of opportunity to improve, driver appeared to realise going wide with 400m to run may have given opportunity to win so deliberately did not improve wide,then ended up still running just behind 2nd horse. The horse was way a $2.10 favourite for very obvious superior reasons. If that was not being pulled up,then I don"t know what is. As I said the penalty free race next week confirms it. Is that really acceptable driving standards? Double standards in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 19 hours ago, Newmarket said: To be honest, horse is very much a grinder type. When it has won, it usually sat parked. It battled ok, but surprised me that it raced at addington, thought a moist methven track would be right up its alley. Yes, tend to agree. My concern with Rachmaninov is not so much how he's driven, but the number of times he's racing. Since his first race 20 months ago, he's had 40 starts, which means, given that he's also had two spells totalling over 7 months, that he's racing pretty much every week. That seems unlikely to be a long-term benefit for any horse, regardless of how he's driven. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: If that drive was worth investigating then half the others on the programme could be too. Actually happy, can you name even 2 of the drives you consider similar last night????? Edited October 12, 2018 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 hours ago, the galah said: Actually happy, can you name even 2 of the drives you consider similar last night????? Watch any replays from any meeting and look at the horses at the tail of the field. See how many stay there throughout only to run on. If you want a hotpot sitting at the back and doing no work and running on then that would take a bit more effort and I can't be bothered to be honest. The stipes know that anything can be justified. Look at recent mention in stipes reports and you will see explanations are generally accepted. Zsa Zoe's would be: Hadn't raced for a month; drew 8; inside horses went out from gate so went back from draw; horse pulled hard in early stages; the running line was very long so was a mile off the leader; had to take the horse through the middle as would have been no chance going wide. Race didn't suit. Zsa Zoe's drive is completely explainable and within bounds of acceptability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 13 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Watch any replays from any meeting and look at the horses at the tail of the field. See how many stay there throughout only to run on. If you want a hotpot sitting at the back and doing no work and running on then that would take a bit more effort and I can't be bothered to be honest. The stipes know that anything can be justified. Look at recent mention in stipes reports and you will see explanations are generally accepted. Zsa Zoe's would be: Hadn't raced for a month; drew 8; inside horses went out from gate so went back from draw; horse pulled hard in early stages; the running line was very long so was a mile off the leader; had to take the horse through the middle as would have been no chance going wide. Race didn't suit. Zsa Zoe's drive is completely explainable and within bounds of acceptability. The times on stridemaster confirm that it was heavily restrained at a time when the pace was at its slowest., Thats why she had to put a stranglehold on it for so long.and why it got so far back. You put it down to the horse pulling, I don't. Your comment about any explanation can be justified. I don't agree. What the stipes did there by failing to even ask the question totally undermines the times they have asked the question relating to drivers tactics in Canterbury of late. It had looked like they were being pro active,but obviously they pick and choose. I haven"t been talking through a hole in my pocket. I suppose seeing the races from different perspectives is what its all about.It would be rather dull if we all agreed on everything. Time to move on to gore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, the galah said: obviously they pick and choose. They do, don't they. 14 minutes ago, the galah said: I suppose seeing the races from different perspectives is what its all about. I do essentially agree with you, it was a tame drive on a favourite who came home well but it is just so hard to justify taking on that drive because they will be setting a new standard and workload for themselves! 15 minutes ago, the galah said: What the stipes did there by failing to even ask the question totally undermines the times they have asked the question relating to drivers tactics in Canterbury of late. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) Zsa zoe driven different tonight(as expected),well rated in front but beaten by a higher rated horse in a higher rated race. Still it ran a good race. Hopefully the horses connections realise that the standard of driving shown tonight reflects the publics perception of the drivers abilities,and normal intent. Edited October 19, 2018 by the galah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Sheree does go good and someone you would not shy away from backing in any race and one you would consider very seriously in a junior drivers event. Is the information around race programming as much at fault here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: Sheree does go good and someone you would not shy away from backing in any race and one you would consider very seriously in a junior drivers event. Is the information around race programming as much at fault here. As far as the future race programming comment ,i think all trainers look at that don't they? I had looked at that myself for this horse and thought the horse was being aimed at either the $25000 R50 to 60 on cup day,or the $25,000 up to r55 mobile on show day.. Had it won last night night it would still have been eligilble, had it won the week before it would not and would have had to run in higher grade races where its chances were not as good. Maybe they have a change of mind and run in the race at Kaikoura next week. Future race programming is necessary, but I don't think it should have any influence on how hard you try each week. Its not a factor punters should need to worry about. Of course in the real world it does for some every now and again ,and when it does people, rightly or wrongly, lose a little bit of faith in those involved. Some may argue what does that matter anyway. Edited October 19, 2018 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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