holy ravioli Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: If you shoved your arrogance where the sun don't shine for a moment and re-read the article you may get the point of it. Instead of calling it "horseshit"! The first three horses don't have sprinter breeding and two have won over 1500m or more. Not many out and out sprinters get past 1400m. There are always exceptions but they are few. The trainer of the winner wants to race him over longer distances which he is bred to succeed at. I guess it is one of the reasons that Moody kept IWIW fresh. He ran third in the Memsie first up over 1400m then didn't race for 6 weeks. The other point the article makes is that The Everest has thrown a spanner in the race pattern. The lure of the dirty lucre! Another one of the reasons I don't think the race will have longevity. Although overseas horses might save it. You may find it doesn't need ..saving! 20 million is alot of...clams...and the rank and file love...it. Some would say the MC has been 'saved' by overseas horses...Australasian stayers aren't much...chop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: the rank and file love...it. How can they not when there are millions of dollars spent on marketing it to the rank and file. NSW Racing finally got off their arse and started a carnival to match Melbourne and marketed it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Some would say the MC has been 'saved' by overseas horses...Australasian stayers aren't much...chop. The reason is that first Australia and then New Zealand reduced the number of opportunities for stayers. The Everest just as The Golden Slipper does will further shift the dial towards sprinters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 56 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Yes. A sprint is classed up to 1600m. I certainly don't think many would consider 1600 a sprint. Longines uses the following categories for their world rankings. S 5f - 6.5f : 1000m - 1300m M 6.51f - 9.49f : 1301m - 1899m I 9.5f - 10.5f : 1900m - 2100m L 10.51f - 13.5f : 2101m - 2700m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I'd say here: - 1400 sprinter 1500-1700 miler 1800- 2200 middle distance 2400+ stayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 55 minutes ago, curious said: I certainly don't think many would consider 1600 a sprint. Longines uses the following categories for their world rankings. I said up to - not including. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I said up to - not including. I know that. I'm saying that Longines say up to 1300. I'd say up to 1400 here, not up to 1600. Edited October 18, 2023 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: I said up to - not including. The OP is supposedly 'The Everest isn't a sprint'!🙄 You now try and fail to prove the premise by isolating 3 out of the 12 starters.🤪 Verdict=N.F.I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 27 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: You now try and fail to prove the premise by isolating 3 out of the 12 starters.🤪 The 3 that just happen to be the first three home. Who were the specialist sprinters that were beaten? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The 3 that just happen to be the first three home. Who were the specialist sprinters that were beaten? Um,um,now let me see....oh..I know...the rest of the....field!!😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 41 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Um,um,now let me see....oh..I know...the rest of the....field!!😁 The isn't a hell of a lot of class 1200m or true sprinter form in the rest of field past 4th. I'm starting to think you didn't look at the field at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The isn't a hell of a lot of class 1200m or true sprinter form in the rest of field past 4th. I'm starting to think you didn't look at the field at all. I'm starting to think you don't know that slot holders pay big money for their slot and try and select the best of the sprinters around to run for an event over 1200m for $20million.🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 42 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: I'm starting to think you don't know that slot holders pay big money for their slot and try and select the best of the sprinters around to run for an event over 1200m for $20million.🙄 No they select the best from those that are available. For example Imperatriz and Asfoora weren't available. Alcohol Free was nowhere near Yulongs first choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 I see there was more turnover at the Hastings meeting than at Randwick on the NZ TAB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I see there was more turnover at the Hastings meeting than at Randwick on the NZ TAB. what are the numbers and how is it relevant to the....topic? Edited October 18, 2023 by holy ravioli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: what are the numbers and how is it relevant to the....topic? $4.4m Randwick. $5.1m Hastings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Is 1400m too far for a Sprinter ? some famous Group 1 winners didn't take it on very often ??? Nature Strip never raced out that far . 1200m and less.... (22 wins from 44 race starts) Black Caviar one start at 1400m , 1st in the CF Orr Stakes by 3 lengths . ( 25 from 25 lifetime ) Takeover Target , 7 starts at 1400m for 3 wins . ( 21 wins from 41 starts overall ) Schillaci , maybe he's the best ? Not just winning the Lightning, Oakleigh and the Newmarket but also took out the Futurity at 1400 and the George Ryder 1500m at Rosehill . (1/2 length 2nd in the Straddie too with 58kg retirement race 👍) (16 wins from 36 overall) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Is 1400m too far for a Sprinter ? some famous Group 1 winners didn't take it on very often ??? Nature Strip never raced out that far . 1200m and less.... (22 wins from 44 race starts) Black Caviar one start at 1400m , 1st in the CF Orr Stakes by 3 lengths . ( 25 from 25 lifetime ) Takeover Target , 7 starts at 1400m for 3 wins . ( 21 wins from 41 starts overall ) Schillaci , maybe he's the best ? Not just winning the Lightning, Oakleigh and the Newmarket but also took out the Futurity at 1400 and the George Ryder 1500m at Rosehill . (1/2 length 2nd in the Straddie too with 58kg retirement race 👍) (16 wins from 36 overall) This one wasn't too bad... Manikato | Racing Victoria 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 47 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: $4.4m Randwick. $5.1m Hastings. Chump change in the big picture. Would guess Everest day would be over 100million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, holy ravioli said: Chump change in the big picture. Would guess Everest day would be over 100million. Where? Which jurisdiction? $1.85m bet on it in NZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Perusing the erudite arguments on the topic,I am now convinced the Everest is NOT... a sprint! I think it's a good prep race for Melbourne Cup contenders and...steeplechasers.🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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