Thomass Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, mardigras said: Brave Smash would have won in my opinion. Funny thing about all these points, no one can ever be proven right or wrong. They can ONLY be opinion. Just give up... Its incredible how anybody who audaciously thinks they've got skin in the game...could be so arrogantly wrong on so many things Racing When actual horsemen give an opinion...like Bowman...you listen... ffs...being a know it all statsman must be terribly hard when you get constantly PANTSED "He always runs well here at Moonee Valley and I think the blinkers added have certainly helped." Weir said he contemplated putting the blinkers on for The Everest in which Brave Smash finished eighth behind Redzel. "The plan was to put the blinkers on in the Everest but Hughie said he probably didn't need them, but he needed them tonight to get in the right spot," Weir said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 There is no getting pantsed here. You're just sharing opinions. You're allowed to believe those ones more than mine. I don't get hung up on opinion. You must think everyone has to have the same opinion as you (or trainers/jockeys) or they are wrong. No wonder you can't punt. I'm still waiting for the links to these studies about the impact of weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) Thomass - having trouble finding the links to those two studies you claim to have already provided? Still waiting. I want more evidence to support the claim made by someone that you were a dunce. Edited November 13, 2018 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 21 hours ago, mardigras said: No, if they say that, they're wrong because they are wrong. Being a punter doesn't make it right or wrong. The massive evidence makes it right. So a pixel won't make a shred of difference to the 3yo dominance...except in a pixel finish... ..and you'll be able to show the results in the next few years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Thomass said: So a pixel won't make a shred of difference to the 3yo dominance...except in a pixel finish... ..and you'll be able to show the results in the next few years? That impact of 0.05L will change many races. They may only be looking for a minor adjustment. Good on them if they believe the difference between the pool of horses has changed in such a fashion. Environmental factors may have done that, or it may be a knee jerk reaction like the way you pick horses after they've won. Still waiting for the links to these highly acclaimed studies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 hours ago, mardigras said: That impact of 0.05L will change many races. They may only be looking for a minor adjustment. Good on them if they believe the difference between the pool of horses has changed in such a fashion. Environmental factors may have done that, or it may be a knee jerk reaction like the way you pick horses after they've won. Still waiting for the links to these highly acclaimed studies. It's 0.5kg over 2400M you pillock...not 0.05L over whatever distance you think... How anyone could be so thick is beyond belief... Carpenter will change the NH 3yo allowance for sure... ...he should have done it when they changed the NH WFA scale...Its called proactive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I only answered to your post. You said they reduced the allowance by 0.5kg. you didn't mention for what distances. 0.5kg = 0.05L impact 'generally'. I don't care what distances they've changed it for. They change it for different distances based on the maturity of the animal coping with the distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 17 minutes ago, Thomass said: ...he should have done it when they changed the NH WFA scale...Its called proactive That's odd since WFA scales are not uniform everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, mardigras said: I only answered to your post. You said they reduced the allowance by 0.5kg. you didn't mention for what distances. 0.5kg = 0.05L impact 'generally'. I don't care what distances they've changed it for. They change it for different distances based on the maturity of the animal coping with the distance. Wtf? Theres no impact if they work to your ridiculous pixel Impact... How can you claim it'll change "many races" ffs A nose over 2400M...are "many races" decided by a pixel then? f me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Thomass said: Wtf? Theres no impact if they work to your ridiculous pixel Impact... How can you claim it'll change "many races" ffs A nose over 2400M...are "many races" decided by a pixel then? f me I'm not following whatever illusion you are on. The WFA scale is to account for differences in maturity over various distances. Whether that difference is generally nothing, 0.05L, 0.20L or whatever. It's not a difficult thing to understand. For most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Thomass said: How can you claim it'll change "many races" ffs A nose over 2400M...are "many races" decided by a pixel then? Well, over 3% of all races in the UK of 2400+ are won by 0.05L or less. I think 3% equates to many races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 17 hours ago, mardigras said: I'm not following whatever illusion you are on. The WFA scale is to account for differences in maturity over various distances. Whether that difference is generally nothing, 0.05L, 0.20L or whatever. It's not a difficult thing to understand. For most people. The problem is your 0.05L would make no difference at all The experts work to 0.5kg=1L...which is about right... ...and they also increased it over 2500M and more...to 1 1/2Kgs... ...what's that in your World iron stain? 0.1L? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Of course 0.05L makes a difference. 3% of races are able to change result by such an impact. 1.5kg. Generally would have an impact of 0.15L. Given your idea, I wonder why all the owners don't put a claimer on. What % of races 'generally' are won by a margin of 0.5L or less? Go on, have a crack. All 2nd place would need to do is put a claimer on in any of those races allowing claims and voilà, a winner instead of second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Of course it's not different you fool The longer the distance the less weight required Theyre looking to reduce the difference by a length over all distances How ignorant are you? Again though...provide the 'Experts' with all of your 'stats' statsman Tell them you've got this...and prove they don't know wtf they're doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) In your opinion. Now c'mon, tell us what %of races are won by 0.5L or less? Edited November 14, 2018 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 It's one of the most accepted 'givens' in racing ffs And proven by the treadmill experiment... Btw You said 0.05L...you can't even get your phantasy stats right statsman Then you said "many races"... Accepted you're in remedial understanding classes "Many" of 3 Trillion could be construed as such...At just 3%... But the real 'Many' in context refers to 75% and over How thick are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Thomass said: Btw You said 0.05L...you can't even get your phantasy stats right statsman Try remedial maths as well. 0.5kg , 0.05L 1.5kg , 0.15L Only you would find that difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, Thomass said: And proven by the treadmill experiment... Still waiting for the link. Since what you wrote had zero to do with the impact of weight on margins in a race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Thomass said: Then you said "many races"... "Many" of 3 Trillion could be construed as such...At just 3%... But the real 'Many' in context refers to 75% and over How thick are you? You've got me. I don't have a clue what that pile of crap is about Many races relates to races. Percentage relates to percentage. How can many relate to a percentage? You need an education. I'm pretty sure 100% of one is one, and I wouldn't call that many. You are demonstrably thick. Edited November 14, 2018 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, mardigras said: Try remedial maths as well. 0.5kg , 0.05L 1.5kg , 0.15L Only you would find that difficult. Of course 0.05L makes a difference. 3% of races are able to change result by such an impact. Thats what you said So how much for 0.5L and less then statsman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Thomass said: So how much for 0.5L and less then statsman? 40% each year. So according to you, 40% of the races are lost by a horse that would have won with just 0.5kg less weight. And you actually believe that. Just half a kilo between winning and losing 40% of all the races run. Why the trainer of second didn't just throw on a claimer is beyond me. Simple. Or just one rating point less. That extra point must be so damn annoying. Edited November 14, 2018 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, mardigras said: You've got me. I don't have a clue what that pile of crap is about Many races relates to races. Percentage relates to percentage. How can many relate to a percentage? You need an education. I'm pretty sure 100% of one is one, and I wouldn't call that many. You are demonstrably thick. Yes clueless you is You said 3% is "many" "many" relates to 75% plus...in any anyone's language... idjoit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Thomass said: Yes clueless you is You said 3% is "many" "many" relates to 75% plus...in any anyone's language... idjoit I love it when you confirm your stupidity. Try some more English remedial classes, the ones you've been taking are not working. There is no 'given' relationship between many and a percentage. You humiliate yourself better than anyone else can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, mardigras said: 40% each year. So according to you, 40% of the races are lost by a horse that would have won with just 0.5kg less weight. And you actually believe that. Just half a kilo between winning and losing 40% of all the races run. Why the trainer of second didn't just throw on a claimer is beyond me. Simple. Or just one rating point less. That extra point must be so damn annoying. Well done... So it's not 0.05L as you stated The NH handicappers know 1/2kg=1L over 2000m-2400M how many WFA races run in the NH will reducing the 3yo allowance by 1L result in statsman? This is about the WFA NH weights you pillick... But on our Heavy 11 tracks an app allowance by a good 3kg claimer is massive Especially all of the mud over a neddy's legs and in big hooves...as per the research Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Thomass said: Well done... So it's not 0.05L as you stated What's not? 0.5kg? Yes it is. A further reason 0.5kg is not 0.5L is because 40% of the races run would be changed by a simple claimer being used claiming 1lb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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