curious Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Correct. Speaking of that they haven't fixed it. Well not for horses. Still up hill and tight. The Derby field will fight for position. It also looks like it has a crest in the centre falling away to the outside rail, not that horses are likely to be racing that far out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 7 minutes ago, curious said: It also looks like it has a crest in the centre falling away to the outside rail, not that horses are likely to be racing that far out there I saw that too. The problem with it is that it is hard to irrigate evenly. I've got another picture of the whole straight and it still has the same hump and undulation in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Why would a new track surface that had the ticks of approval from high ranking industry players have undulation and humps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Because it was decided that the original contours that were always a feature of the Ellerslie track should as much as possible be retained. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I've walked it several times. Good on ya......you can't have walked over the hill....LOL.....if you had it looks right down on the reservoir ! Near the 600m hark! ps..for those who missed my last joke re Newmarket , the hill is no longer ! Hold the phone ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 25 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Good on ya......you can't have walked over the hill....LOL.....if you had it looks right down on the reservoir ! Near the 600m hark! ps..for those who missed my last joke re Newmarket , the hill is no longer ! Hold the phone ! Right and you rang someone to find out apparently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Wingman said: Because it was decided that the original contours that were always a feature of the Ellerslie track should as much as possible be retained. Then they'll struggle to eliminate inconsistency in irrigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) Note the final post in this old thread. Edited February 11 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 I can't work out why there was so much sand in the top 5cms as evident in the cores I picked up. That may explain why the roots matted in the top layer and why there may have been water tension of the next layer down was significantly different in soil structure. I would have thought that soil would have been consistent through all layers except the very lower layers which would of a type to facilitate rapid excess water removal. If they are coring already then it may need to continue on a regular basis. Next they'll be poring more sand onto it to fill the cores!!! Te Rapa springs to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I thought the whole growing medium below the turf was supposed to be sand and mesh elements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, curious said: I thought the whole growing medium below the turf was supposed to be sand and mesh elements? BELOW THE TURF maybe. But solely sand in the top layer is a recipe for disaster. I note Imperatriz ran around on the Moonee Valley StrathAyr today and love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 58 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: BELOW THE TURF maybe. But solely sand in the top layer is a recipe for disaster. I note Imperatriz ran around on the Moonee Valley StrathAyr today and love it. Do you think we are overdue to start another Imperatriz thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 48 minutes ago, curious said: Do you think we are overdue to start another Imperatriz thread? Yep. But here's an interesting fact. The best performed horses in NZ and OZ over the last 20 years have been mares who had big 2 yr old years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Green Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Yep. But here's an interesting fact. The best performed horses in NZ and OZ over the last 20 years have been mares who had big 2 yr old years. Define "big" Black Caviar 2 starts as a 2yo Winx 2 starts as a 2yo Makybe Diva Unraced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, Jim Green said: Define "big" Black Caviar 2 starts as a 2yo Winx 2 starts as a 2yo Makybe Diva Unraced I was referring to NZ trained horses. However Makybe Diva would be on the cusp of 15 years. However Makybe Diva did trial at 2 and won 17 days later as a 3yr old. Winx had two starts as a 2 yr old and won both. 2 trials before that that starting in May. That's bigger than most 2yr olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 Oh and didn't Black Caviar win 2 at 2yrs old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Green Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 yes she sure did Just wanted a definition of "big" as avoiding the Big 2yo races in Aus seemed to help those 3. Weren't gutted by tough runs Agree with the Nz trained assesment. Te Akau have had great success with mares Karaka Millioning then training on. Perhaps Nz 2yo races aren't as taxing as the golden slipper/blue diamond etc because they certainly seems to grow another leg as they train on. OR Maybe Australian 2yos are bred for pure speed,get black type as a 2yo and don't worry about 3,4,5yo racing. Legarto was also 1 for 1 as a 2yo. Credit to the NZ industry seeing them training on. I see YONCE was backing winning on saturday after disappearing for a long while. Believe she started off in Cambridge before going to Aus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 13 hours ago, Jim Green said: Just wanted a definition of "big" as avoiding the Big 2yo races in Aus seemed to help those 3. Weren't gutted by tough runs The point I was making is that it is somewhat a myth to "give horses time" and avoid a 2yr old season altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 13 hours ago, Jim Green said: OR Maybe Australian 2yos are bred for pure speed,get black type as a 2yo and don't worry about 3,4,5yo racing. The 2yr and 3yr old races are the focus of the colts for stallion making. The fillies can take a slightly lower path however in my opininon you still need to be up and running as a 2yr old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Green Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 some horses need more time than others and I guess the good ones are naturals from the start How often do we hear that. A good horse and the breakers and trainers say they were natural and easy to deal with from the start,ahead of the others at the gates etc Or breeders say the good one was the fastest to stand up etc In Europe where they breed stayers I'd be guessing time is more of a factor. would be interesting to see data on classic winners at 3 vs starts as 2yo. Surely working,trialling and racing at 2yo must have benefits to bone structure as long as it not over done. I do remember another good one Silent achiever. Roger James always said she was "fragile" and needed time.She trialled at 2 but never raced. The best trainers can obviously see how far they can/should push the young stock. Another great topic. The more the look the more you learn Racing is alot more complex than horses running around a track. There are so many variables. I have great respect for all in the industry .Maybe trackside should do a show on a Monday night showing us different aspects of the industry. Stories from behind the scenes with the stablehands,trackwork riders,trainers,jockeys,breeders,vets,farriers etc would be a fanatastic learning experience for all punters and maybe we would throw the remote at the TV alot less when we realise how hard everyone is working and how hard they are all trying to win. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 Are they irrigating enough? Withdrawal Morning Weather: Fine Track: Good 4 Moisture Meter: 20.9% Rail: Out 6m Rainfall: N/A Irrigation: Weather and Track updated at 8.28am Wednesday 14 February Nomination Morning Weather: Fine Track: Good 4 Moisture Meter: N/A Rail: Out 6m Rainfall: N/A Irrigation: 20mm Applied Last 24 Hours Weather and Track updated at 9.09am Tuesday 13 February Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 Thursday Afternoon Weather: Fine Track: Good 4 Moisture Meter: 17.1% Rail: Out 6m Rainfall: N/A Irrigation: Irrigating Tonight Weather and Track updated at 3.20pm Thursday 15 February Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 RaceInfoMeetingsMeeting NewsATR @ Ellerslie | Saturday 17 February RACE DAY MEETING NEWS ATR @ Ellerslie | Saturday 17 February RACE DAY Race Day Weather: Fine Track: Good 4 Moisture Meter: 20.2% Rail: Out 6m Rainfall: N/A Irrigation: 15mm Irrigation Applied last 24 Hours Weather and Track updated at 6.32am Saturday 17 February Friday Afternoon Weather: Fine Track: Good 4 Moisture Meter: 18.2% Rail: Out 6m Rainfall: N/A Irrigation: 20mm Irrigation Applied last 24 Hours Weather and Track updated at 4.01pm Friday 16 February Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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