curious Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 It's our last show and we have an all-encompassing discussion with Bruce Sharrock, plus Paul O'Sullivan phones in to talk about his late father, Dave. Thanks for 4 great years, our stable of sponsors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Any idea why this show shuts down for the winter months? Are people not really into racing during these months? Personally, as a punter, I found last weekend's racing some of the best betting propositions for ages. Not only do NSW and Victoria have decent sized fields at this time of year but SA has some great racing and Queensland is really getting going. Even NZ has some decent sized fields. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 41 minutes ago, Doomed said: Any idea why this show shuts down for the winter months? Are people not really into racing during these months? Don't know but it sounds like we are going to be subjected to more of the same drivel next season. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 I have never actually watched it. Don't even know when its on. Is it more of a PR exercise or an expert analysis show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 I thought this was an excellent 'last show'. Next season it will be under the control of Entain. What I learnt was; a) The revised venue plan is to be released on Friday b) NZTR are well under way with commercially sensitive discussions/ negotiations with Avondale where in the short term the track will be utilised for trials c) Total stakes will further increase next season to $100M and +5% to $105M for 2025/6 d) Entain/NZ Breeders have an announcement in the coming month that will revolve around incentives as they acknowledge there must be support to stem the reducing foal crop. e) NZTR CEO, previously MIA said it was imperative to get partial abandonments down to zero. I was not convinced he was convinced or convincing. It was disappointing co presenter MG didn't have the guts to ask at least one tough question and that question obviously is "Why is the cannot fail strathayr Ellerslie track continuing to fail?" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, curious said: Don't know but it sounds like we are going to be subjected to more of the same drivel next season. Oh cheer up Curious ! I rarely watch this but watched the link and pleased I did ,at the same time as watching Fair Go and Police dog show. Nice piece on Dave O'Sullivan RIP , the jockey premiership , summary of NZ and Aussie Racing , great to hear from boss Sharrock ...a lot of positive stuff. Heading in the right direction , plenty of good stuff to look forward to. Hosts were great , 2 x knowledgable NZ Racing folk. MG asked some hard questions. You out of line with your comment champ ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 47 minutes ago, Wingman said: I thought this was an excellent 'last show'. Next season it will be under the control of Entain. What I learnt was; a) The revised venue plan is to be released on Friday b) NZTR are well under way with commercially sensitive discussions/ negotiations with Avondale where in the short term the track will be utilised for trials c) Total stakes will further increase next season to $100M and +5% to $105M for 2025/6 d) Entain/NZ Breeders have an announcement in the coming month that will revolve around incentives as they acknowledge there must be support to stem the reducing foal crop. e) NZTR CEO, previously MIA said it was imperative to get partial abandonments down to zero. I was not convinced he was convinced or convincing. It was disappointing co presenter MG didn't have the guts to ask at least one tough question and that question obviously is "Why is the cannot fail strathayr Ellerslie track continuing to fail?" None of that matters if you don't have a fair and safe track to race on, a fair Handicap system, jockeys capable of riding your horse to its merits and of course enough horses to race for these new glorious Stakes. I'm picking we will be running a fair few low in number races next season. Happening now in the South and CD. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: None of that matters if you don't have a fair and safe track to race on, a fair Handicap system, jockeys capable of riding your horse to its merits and of course enough horses to race for these new glorious Stakes. I'm picking we will be running a fair few low in number races next season. Happening now in the South and CD. Get with the program Chief. Get involved ...a lot to look forward to. Help futureproof the sport/industry for the next generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, Wingman said: I thought this was an excellent 'last show'. Next season it will be under the control of Entain. What I learnt was; a) The revised venue plan is to be released on Friday The revised plan, don't know if there would be much change if logic applies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 (edited) 5 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: MG asked some hard questions. What hard questions? As noted by Wingman, the Ellerslie debacle was like the elephant in the room. Sharrock has failed to comment on it up to now. He didn't mention it and the presenters didn't even ask him to comment. Edited April 29 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 (edited) 5 hours ago, Doomed said: I have never actually watched it. Don't even know when its on. Is it more of a PR exercise or an expert analysis show? I watched it once and have periodically watched an interview such as the Sharrock one here. They are sometimes interesting but seldom very informative. The rest is simply replays of last week's races including major Australian ones, which most of us have already seen. I've certainly got better things to do with an hour out of my week. Hopefully, with Entain/TAB taking it over next season, it will become worth watching. Edited April 29 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 7 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Help futureproof the sport/industry for the next generations. please educate me!!! lets start with something that I$ important, the role of the mug punter. You are happy with the betting take out$ re most of the products on offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 On 4/30/2024 at 6:27 AM, Murray Fish said: please educate me!!! lets start with something that I$ important, the role of the mug punter. You are happy with the betting take out$ re most of the products on offer? What do you need educated on ? The mug punter has a vital role to play ....but without them we will be racing for bags of kumaras and ribbons or all the races would need to be sweepstakes . It seems tho that there will always be mug punters . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 6 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: What do you need educated on ? .... It seems tho that there will always be mug punters . you have not addressed my direct question. Do you think that they betting take out$ from bets taken by TAB grossly favor the house? You will recall the v interesting recent article posted here about the reality of what happens when the house takes to great of a % 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 5 hours ago, Murray Fish said: you have not addressed my direct question. Do you think that they betting take out$ from bets taken by TAB grossly favor the house? You will recall the v interesting recent article posted here about the reality of what happens when the house takes to great of a % I'll try to be direct... Firstly this thread was about the appearance of Bruce Sharrock on Weigh In TV show recently. You seem confused ,as your question is about take-out $ on betting products offered. He is the CEO of NZTR the leadership body of NZ Thoroughbred racing that supplies TR to NZ and he tries to implement ,carry out and achieve the aims of the Business Plan which comes out of the strategic Plan of the Board who he directly reports to . He oversees the racing on which the wagering happens but the take-out $ and betting products would seem to be further up the chain . You seem confused....about as direct as it gets ! Edited May 1 by TAB For Ever Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 19 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: He is the CEO of NZTR the leadership body of NZ Thoroughbred racing that supplies TR to NZ and he tries to implement ,carry out and achieve the aims of the Business Plan which comes out of the strategic Plan of the Board who he directly reports to . Please find attached the Summer Racing Revitalisation Strategic Plan for 2024/25 (I'm not sure you can call it a Strategic Plan for such as short timespan...anyway). I assume you have read it. Do you agree that the focus is on increased Stakes? Do you also agree that there is nothing in this strategic plan that addresses the fundamental issues? The biggest issue is getting horse numbers up - not to mention that most of this racing is going to occur on compromised tracks. The strategy seems to be, and you seem to agree with it, is that if stakes are increased and we have more and more limited entry novelty races plus increased top tier stakes the horse numbers will come. FINAL Strategic Summer Calendar Doc.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, TAB For Ever said: I'll try to be direct... You seem confused....about as direct as it gets ! sigh, noted... and I DO apologist for polluting any thread... Just for YOU, I will given time! Open a thread just for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Please find attached the Summer Racing Revitalisation Strategic Plan for 2024/25 (I'm not sure you can call it a Strategic Plan for such as short timespan...anyway). I assume you have read it. Do you agree that the focus is on increased Stakes? Do you also agree that there is nothing in this strategic plan that addresses the fundamental issues? The biggest issue is getting horse numbers up - not to mention that most of this racing is going to occur on compromised tracks. The strategy seems to be, and you seem to agree with it, is that if stakes are increased and we have more and more limited entry novelty races plus increased top tier stakes the horse numbers will come. FINAL Strategic Summer Calendar Doc.pdf 9.32 MB · 2 downloads Purely my opinion, but I think they are totally deluded. Those stakes increases are something you do when the industry as a whole is trucking along really well and you think what can we do to make it even better. I don't actually think the industry as a whole is going all that well and I don't think those increases will help most participants at all. It would be interesting to know what all those racing for $17,000 this week think of those increases. Is Michael Pitman for instance overcome with excitement about all those massive stakes at Ellerslie. But, as I said, there will be a lot of people who are ecstatic about the proposals and who think it means the industry is booming. I suppose we will have to wait five years to find out one way or another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Four years and counting. Should be a good four summers ahead but the 50/50 profit taking kicks in at that point and I am pickin' thats when the kickin' will hurt 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, Wingman said: Four years and counting. Should be a good four summers ahead but the 50/50 profit taking kicks in at that point and I am pickin' thats when the kickin' will hurt Plus the current architects of this strategy will be long gone. George has already jumped ship. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 (edited) On 29/04/2024 at 9:20 PM, Wingman said: c) Total stakes will further increase next season to $100M and +5% to $105M for 2025/6 Yes. That's what he said, a 10% increase from $91m. But wait, the guaranteed all code funding level from Entain only increases by $5m. So where on earth are NZTR getting the extra from, especially if they plan to also increase the funding component allocated to fixing tracks. I might be confused. If so, someone will hopefully straighten me out but based on the record, there's a fair chance that it is Sharrock that is muddled up. The minimum level for 2023-24 will be NZ$170m (£86m/€99m/US$107m), up 36% on the current financial year. The 2024-24 figure will be NZ$175m, then NZ$180m in 2025-26, NZ$185m in 2026-27 and NZ$200m for 2027-28. Edited May 2 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Plus the current architects of this strategy will be long gone. George has already jumped ship. What strategy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Please find attached the Summer Racing Revitalisation Strategic Plan for 2024/25 (I'm not sure you can call it a Strategic Plan for such as short timespan...anyway). I assume you have read it. Do you agree that the focus is on increased Stakes? Do you also agree that there is nothing in this strategic plan that addresses the fundamental issues? The biggest issue is getting horse numbers up - not to mention that most of this racing is going to occur on compromised tracks. The strategy seems to be, and you seem to agree with it, is that if stakes are increased and we have more and more limited entry novelty races plus increased top tier stakes the horse numbers will come. FINAL Strategic Summer Calendar Doc.pdf 9.32 MB · 3 downloads But never assume things Chief.......I am currently in Harness mode [ some great racing happening ,and about to get better ] with an eye on Jumps racing as well.......you can't state that I seem to agree with things when you have no knowledge but want to stretch out a discussion.ie you want to bang on about the same old stuff. Currently I having Soup and toast but after that I'll try and work out your queries about some Summer Plan. Where I am we heading into winter. Stuffed tracks ,compromised tracks ,unsafe tracks , closed tracks ,synthetic tracks ....you all about tracks ,I get it. Watching BSharrock on TV and the few times I've heard him he gives Tracks the first mention, his top of mind. Number One ahead of Stakes even. In 12 mins he talked of every NZ track getting at least renovations carried out.He said they gotta improve .Most been neglected for decades[ I said that], not one decent track surface in NZ[ Messara said that] .BSharrock said it his nimber one challenge hence invest ,invest ,invest ! He investing heavily in tracks with new machinery but in particular people. More people and upskilling them too. Plus a new level of management [ costly too I guess] so the audits of them will be more often and more realistic.......this is a job for you I feel ,I'm sure he has no one as capable as you to oversee the tracks. He all over tracks Chief.....you will have to revert to banging on about something else. I'll check the significance of your Document later. My soup is going cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 44 minutes ago, curious said: What strategy? I made that point above when referring to the NZTR document. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 30 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: My soup is going cold. Vichyssoise TAB, very trendy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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