Gammalite Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 All but swept the entire card tonight at Addington , with the Diamonds winning plenty. I lost count there was so many. I think the Edmonds trotter 'A Fine Patrick' probably works with them as well , and whatever the case , the Woodend Trainers ran the Trifecta in that trot for good measure anyway( in race 8 ) with Bob Butt 2nd and John Dunn 3rd Bob even got John to drive his first start horse 'Dynasty', in the last race of the night to victory to cap off a Woodend Wonderland of Winners ! A Wonderful Woodend Wipe-up ! 😉 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Lol Wasn’t that long ago we were talking about how average the Diamond Stables were going! As Westview states, they are very hardworking and a very hardworking family affair. They deserves the results they get, they appear to be able to attract and retain staff and appear to be a happy bunch on Harness Racing Unhinged videos. To operate such a large training establishment you have to be very dedicated and that is what the Dunn’s are. Without the no.s of their horses lining up, many races would not be run, and they travel their horses around the South Island as well. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 20 minutes ago, Brodie said: Lol Wasn’t that long ago we were talking about how average the Diamond Stables were going! Yeah and not too long before that the likes of @the galah was questioning how well they were doing and why! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 22 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Yeah and not too long before that the likes of @the galah was questioning how well they were doing and why! lol. don't worry about that Chief mate. the mighty feathered one always questions everything in harness and keeps the whole game honest and on their toes 😆😂 possibly a lawyer in a past life he could grill the teeth out of a chicken. As for the Dunns, when you look at the many staff on the 'Unhinged Woodend video' each week going to and fro and busy as a Tokyo airport nearly . Tiz a big busy set-up at the beach alright. Perhaps John should put his name on the 'Training Ticket' though. He might regret not having all those Training credits in future years down the track. Robert Dunn had some great results last century with a few horses (esp Master Musician) so is no surprise Dexter and John are absolute World Class operators. doing well and why. Sundee's Son really setting a massive trotting standard. Think they need some Auckland and NZ Cup runners though if they are going to be the Headline Act of the NZ harness scene. with Diamonds instead of Stars (Mark) . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Yeah and not too long before that the likes of @the galah was questioning how well they were doing and why! I pointed out they had an abnormally long time for them between wins.That was true. you say i said why,but you make that bit up like you can do sometimes. i also noted they had to start winning again as they had so many nice horses. Even at that time i think john dunn was driving ok,but hes currently displaying just how skilled he can be, when at the peak of his game.Every horse hes driving at the moment hes driving inch perfect and hes currently so consistent at that. Edited May 24 by the galah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 16 hours ago, the galah said: I pointed out they had an abnormally long time for them between wins.That was true. you say i said why,but you make that bit up like you can do sometimes. i also noted they had to start winning again as they had so many nice horses. Even at that time i think john dunn was driving ok,but hes currently displaying just how skilled he can be, when at the peak of his game.Every horse hes driving at the moment hes driving inch perfect and hes currently so consistent at that. So when it is the All Stars doing well you infer cheating when they are not you infer they have stopped cheating for some reason. But with the Dunn stable this improved performance is due to John Dunn being in form, hard work and nice horses. Still the Dunn's have raced 4 times more than the All Stars for a return of $3,400 per start compared to the All Stars $10,408 per start. Sure the Dunn's UDR is up on average but not hugely. As for John Dunn it would seem he is picking the best drives from a large stable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 17 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So when it is the All Stars doing well you infer cheating when they are not you infer they have stopped cheating for some reason. But with the Dunn stable this improved performance is due to John Dunn being in form, hard work and nice horses. Still the Dunn's have raced 4 times more than the All Stars for a return of $3,400 per start compared to the All Stars $10,408 per start. Sure the Dunn's UDR is up on average but not hugely. As for John Dunn it would seem he is picking the best drives from a large stable. The Diamond Stables horses are racing well, but they are also taking advantage of the fact that they are racing inferior horses st the moment without many AllStars or Telfer trained horses due to the season! John is also outdriving most of the others, as they are allowing him to dictate most races he wins! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 13 minutes ago, Brodie said: The Diamond Stables horses are racing well, but they are also taking advantage of the fact that they are racing inferior horses st the moment without many AllStars or Telfer trained horses due to the season! Yes I suspect that is always the case each season. They have a big stable rather than a boutique stable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: So when it is the All Stars doing well you infer cheating when they are not you infer they have stopped cheating for some reason. But with the Dunn stable this improved performance is due to John Dunn being in form, hard work and nice horses. Still the Dunn's have raced 4 times more than the All Stars for a return of $3,400 per start compared to the All Stars $10,408 per start. Sure the Dunn's UDR is up on average but not hugely. As for John Dunn it would seem he is picking the best drives from a large stable. we have been over it a few times in the past so don'treally feel like going over it again when this topic is about another stable. but the only thing about your post that i would clarify. I have never said the all stars are dishonest but i have said i believed,at times in the past, on the big days they do things which enables them to gain an advantage others don't.They have the resources and contacts to do so.. As to stakes per start won. I don't care about that. owners might,but i don't. My perspective has always been. Was i always able to make an informed assesment of a horses chances based on previous recent form. The answer would be yes for the dunns but at times in the past,no for the all stars.i'm just talking about the big days or the big stakes races. You can do things legally but still gain an advantage which could be argued as unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 On 25/05/2024 at 3:12 PM, the galah said: I have never said the all stars are dishonest but i have said i believed,at times in the past, on the big days they do things which enables them to gain an advantage others don't.They have the resources and contacts to do so. But so arguably would the Dunn's. However you constantly inferred something nefarious. The reality is as the top level all you need to do is get that extra 1 to 2% in performance and you are lengths ahead of everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 On 25/05/2024 at 3:12 PM, the galah said: As to stakes per start won. I don't care about that. owners might,but i don't. Yet you focus on UDR's which on their own aren't a very good indicator of stable performance. Which contradicts your assertion that the All Stars seem to peak for the big races. So for example a horse could run out of the placings in the lead up races to a Group race then win. It would have a poor UDR but nabs the big pile of bacon. On 25/05/2024 at 3:12 PM, the galah said: My perspective has always been. Was i always able to make an informed assesment of a horses chances based on previous recent form. The answer would be yes for the dunns but at times in the past,no for the all stars.i'm just talking about the big days or the big stakes races. But you knew that and you knew on the big day the All Stars would be primed and ready. The reality is it is very hard to keep a horse at the elite level of performance for a long time. No point winding your horse up for an Open race worth $20k when the target is the $500k race two starts away. Anyone who has been involved in training a horse knows that. I've seen it first had recently where in the two weeks prior to the big dance no stone was unturned in ensuring the horse was ready. Full vet checks, bloods tested, diet supplements and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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