Whanganui rail

[Chief Stipe]

36 minutes ago, Pete Lane said:

It's vastly improved since the bad old days and took the brunt of the Ellerslie dates when Ellerslie was closed.

Exactly - its stuffed now.  Just ask a few trainers what they think.

[Pete Lane]

2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Exactly - its stuffed now.  Just ask a few trainers what they think.

Ah the old 'ask a few trainers' line.

How about you front up and name those you're talking about?

Edited June 2, 2024 by Pete Lane

[Chief Stipe]

49 minutes ago, Pete Lane said:

Ah the old 'ask a few trainers' line.

How about you front up and name those you're talking about?

A mate has had two young in form horses race there in recent months and both have failed on it. 

The track is shifty and near buggered from all the racing it has had.

[Pete Lane]

27 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

A mate has had two young in form horses race there in recent months and both have failed on it. 

The track is shifty and near buggered from all the racing it has had.

If you say so.

[Chief Stipe]

15 minutes ago, Pete Lane said:

If you say so.

Come on go back and look at the races.  By race 4 they were avoiding the first two lanes on the inside like the plague.  

They ran wider and wider for the rest of the programme and the fast lanes were lanes 3 and 4 in the centre.

Will be interesting to see the Stewards vision for both meetings.  However if you are going to slam one then you have to slam both.

At least at Wanganui you have more width to play with than Pukekohe.

Will be interesting to see how the trials and the race meeting go in 3 weeks time at Pukekohe.

[Murray Fish]

23 hours ago, Huey said:

It doesn't matter unless your horse gets in the fast lanes.

i did note that horses from another track with lots of sand, Foxton, had some success.

[Chief Stipe]

9 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

i did note that horses from another track with lots of sand, Foxton, had some success.

Bit sad that the Foxton Cup and the Castletown Stakes had to be run at Wanganui.

[Doomed]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Bit sad that the Foxton Cup and the Castletown Stakes had to be run at Wanganui.

Its been quite a while, but I have attended a few Foxton meetings back in the day and I don't recall a rush to the outside fence there. But, as I say, it was a few years ago.

[Pete Lane]

Te Aroha looked worse than Pukekohe today.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Pete Lane said:

Te Aroha looked worse than Pukekohe today.

In what way?  It is winter racing in NZ afterall.

[Pete Lane]

41 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

In what way?  It is winter racing in NZ afterall.

Err yeah. Exactly what you were bagging Pukekohe for.

[Pete Lane]

48 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

In what way?  It is winter racing in NZ afterall.

So Pukekohe's stuffed according to you but Te Aroha that's had no racing on it produces a worse track and for them it's just winter racing?

I'm sensing you have an agenda here.

[Pete Lane]

8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

A mate has had two young in form horses race there in recent months and both have failed on it. 

The track is shifty and near buggered from all the racing it has had.

Your 'mate' hardly constitutes a few trainers does he?

You're making this up now. I don't know what your beef is with Pukekohe but I have a fair idea.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Pete Lane said:

Your 'mate' hardly constitutes a few trainers does he?

You're making this up now. I don't know what your beef is with Pukekohe but I have a fair idea.

Really?  What's your "fair idea"?

Have a look at the number of well performed horses that have come unstuck at Pukekohe recently.

Pukekohe has been hammered by ATR.

[Chief Stipe]

A quick look at the results indicates as many favourites (if not more) won at Wanganui versus Pukekohe on Saturday.

[Huey]

45 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

A quick look at the results indicates as many favourites (if not more) won at Wanganui versus Pukekohe on Saturday.

Indicating what?

[Pete Lane]

11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Really?  What's your "fair idea"?

Have a look at the number of well performed horses that have come unstuck at Pukekohe recently.

Pukekohe has been hammered by ATR.

More unsubstantiated hyperbole.

How come the 'unhammered' Te Aroha was worse than the 'hammered' Pukekohe?

Edited June 3, 2024 by Pete Lane

[Murray Fish]

17 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Bit sad that the Foxton Cup and the Castletown Stakes had to be run at Wanganui.

yip, and recently I was in contact with a key worker there, I ask what sort of feed back they had be getting around running all the successful trials etc! Lots of positive comments and support from jockeys and trainers and owners. 

0% from 'head office'. 

Just another example of 'procedural politics', just pretend that they don't exist... 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Pete Lane said:

More unsubstantiated hyperbole.

How come the 'unhammered' Te Aroha was worse than the 'hammered' Pukekohe?

Still waiting for your "fair idea".  Do you have one?

On what basis do you determine Te Aroha was worse?  Looked to race very fair to me.  Have you had feedback from trainers or Jockeys to the contrary?

[Pete Lane]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Still waiting for your "fair idea".  Do you have one?

On what basis do you determine Te Aroha was worse?  Looked to race very fair to me.  Have you had feedback from trainers or Jockeys to the contrary?

You're really not worth engaging with. You prevaricate like a politician.

[Chief Stipe]

9 minutes ago, Pete Lane said:

You're really not worth engaging with. You prevaricate like a politician.

Really?  You are the one that stated you have a theory or in your words a "fair idea" about my motivation but are not willing to state it.  How can anyone engage with innuendo, inference or unplublished supposition?

You say I have an agenda but are not willing to state what that is.

Rather than prevaricating I've been quite clear in my views.  

[Chief Stipe]

Well I guess @Pete Lane you don't have a "fair idea" and buy into Pukekohe was fantastic and Te Aroha and Wanganui were shyte.  

[Special Agent]

On 6/3/2024 at 9:40 AM, Chief Stipe said:

The track is shifty and near buggered from all the racing it has had.

But, it is not that long ago Wanganui was closed for racing due to renovation.  I don't think our tracks are given enough time to consolidate after such renovations.

[Chief Stipe]

On 4/06/2024 at 6:51 PM, Special Agent said:

But, it is not that long ago Wanganui was closed for racing due to renovation.  I don't think our tracks are given enough time to consolidate after such renovations.

Yes but what the critics forget is that nearly every track in the country has a hard strip  down the outside.  It's generally where all the heavy machine tracks down including shifting the gates.  Bit ironic that the Jockeys head for that strip when it suits and don't complain about slipping or crowding.

[Murray Fish]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Yes but what the critics forget is that nearly every track in thw country has a hard strip  down the outside.  

Blame D Walsh, I think he was the first to head down that track. At Trentham one day!