Thomass Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) Who saw that coming? Great form around the Coast circuit...and as seasoned as Pork crackling... But it just shows you what a change of environment does to tired old neddys Nige Tiley gets it to perform miracles in 2 starts Poor Nige needs the money too...after getting fined for a bi carb violation in the Shunshine State in August 5k...ouch Bisou would undoubtedly have been bi carb tested..no doubt...seriously...yes?? Anybody know? Edited November 24, 2018 by Thomass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Thought the answer would be fairly obvious. Look at the two previous trainers. Rudy Leifting K Myers. The horse is finally with a decent one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 to be honest allways has had ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 57 minutes ago, Ashley said: Thought the answer would be fairly obvious. Look at the two previous trainers. Rudy Leifting K Myers. The horse is finally with a decent one. Meow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Ashley said: Thought the answer would be fairly obvious. Look at the two previous trainers. Rudy Leifting K Myers. The horse is finally with a decent one. It is an impressive piece of form- no doubt about it - and it's inevitably raised a few eyebrows. But heck thems is harsh words Ashley ... care to elaborate or qualify your comments? Jess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Ashley said: Thought the answer would be fairly obvious. Look at the two previous trainers. Rudy Leifting K Myers. The horse is finally with a decent one. Tough marking Nigel.... ....bi carb her a day clear this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 14 hours ago, Ashley said: Thought the answer would be fairly obvious. Look at the two previous trainers. Rudy Leifting K Myers. The horse is finally with a decent one. Wet track, race on its doorstep all helped it. You don't know much about racing if you think those two guys can't train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 My guess is that Ashley is referring to a more "corporate" type trainer, which fits the bill with Nigel, as opposed to the "farmer" type trainers of Myers and Leifting. All three are solid trainers, but I believe Tiley would have the image and training style to make it in Australia. That being said, Darren Weir has a great record of running horses without much planning and thought, but it seems to work for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltedMilkshake Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 As much as we like to think that horses do best ina country environment, with long days out in a paddock or big yard, there are many examples of horses who have thrived when changed to a more controlled environment (I won’t use the expression “factory”). I believe it’s routine that horses (and children) appreciate...it gives them confidence. So this could be the case with Bisou Bisou...just a more structured routine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Im entitled to an opinion and mine is that Tiley is a vastly superior trainer to both Liefting and Myers. He has had this horse for two starts and has had two wins and already increased its value as a broodmare tenfold. Whereas Myers is a journeyman he just drags horses all over the country to run multiple times against moderate opposition for pittance stake money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 Interesting...Tiles did say she liked her "box" It'd still be interesting if they'd have tested her for bi carb though... They don't reveal results in Arstralia for this...they feared some trainers would set a horse to a close limit...and Tiley came within 0.1 of being charged after a VERY random test nearly caught him out... Funnily enough Godber used that very same excuse when it was suggested COBALT results should be posted... ...why then does he allow it for bi carb??...but that's the RIU for you an organisation full of ambiguity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Ashley said: Im entitled to an opinion and mine is that Tiley is a vastly superior trainer to both Liefting and Myers. He has had this horse for two starts and has had two wins and already increased its value as a broodmare tenfold. Whereas Myers is a journeyman he just drags horses all over the country to run multiple times against moderate opposition for pittance stake money. When you cannot say something good about a person you should just shut up. The records of all 3 mentioned trainers affirm that they are all capable professionals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 The difference also lies in the type of riders they use. Myers has stuck with the likes of Zinjite Moki for years despite her terrible record, Sarah McNab another, also other apprentices that no one would touch with a barge pole, he might be a decent trainer but when you put poor riders on you will get poor results. The amount of winners he gets nowadays certainly seems to have dried up, although once the coast circuit starts up you would expect that to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackM Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/racing/news/article.cfm?c_id=53&objectid=12164810 Read bottom paragraph : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 hours ago, CrossCodes said: The difference also lies in the type of riders they use. Myers has stuck with the likes of Zinjite Moki for years despite her terrible record, Sarah McNab another, also other apprentices that no one would touch with a barge pole, he might be a decent trainer but when you put poor riders on you will get poor results. The amount of winners he gets nowadays certainly seems to have dried up, although once the coast circuit starts up you would expect that to change. Don't think so https://loveracing.nz/RaceInfo/Trainers/80266/Profile.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Paul Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 hours ago, CrossCodes said: The difference also lies in the type of riders they use. Myers has stuck with the likes of Zinjite Moki for years despite her terrible record, Sarah McNab another, also other apprentices that no one would touch with a barge pole, he might be a decent trainer but when you put poor riders on you will get poor results. The amount of winners he gets nowadays certainly seems to have dried up, although once the coast circuit starts up you would expect that to change. Ironic, I thought the ride on Volpe Veloce was the biggest contributing factor in Saturdays win! Yes, that is the wallet talking. Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, Mark D said: Don't think so https://loveracing.nz/RaceInfo/Trainers/80266/Profile.aspx 18 winners more than I thought, although that’s from a lot of starters, his strike rate is awful. A good bread and butter horse trainer for sure, and great jumps trainer, but will never win a big flat race any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Fred said: When you cannot say something good about a person you should just shut up. The records of all 3 mentioned trainers affirm that they are all capable professionals. I said some very nice things about Nigel Tiley Fred and I have my opinion you have yours. If you consider 8 wins in 3 years is a great record in the case of Liefting you obviously have low standards. Edited November 26, 2018 by Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, Ashley said: I said some very nice things about Nigel Tiley Fred and I have my opinion you have yours. If you consider 8 wins in 3 years is a great record in the case of Liefting you obviously have low standards. 8 wins in 3 years might be brilliant. I can't tell as I'd expect winners to come from horses that have the ability to win. Strike rates and number of wins doesn't define that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 15 hours ago, CrossCodes said: The difference also lies in the type of riders they use. Myers has stuck with the likes of Zinjite Moki for years despite her terrible record, Sarah McNab another, also other apprentices that no one would touch with a barge pole, he might be a decent trainer but when you put poor riders on you will get poor results. The amount of winners he gets nowadays certainly seems to have dried up, although once the coast circuit starts up you would expect that to change. and despite the fact he puts on riders that apparently no one would go near with a barge pole , he has still managed to finish in the top 3 in the Trainers Prem in 2 of the last 3 years,had a strike rate of under 10 whilst still preparing jumpers on the flat for races which some of these other stables would never do, not to mention the massive contribution he makes to local racing by having those apprentices available for race day rides, trials, jumpouts , trackwork etc. Ever tried to get jocks for rides on a horse in NZ? If youre not in the in the big 10 stables in the country its pretty hard work. Guys like Myers are gold for this game and then someone thinks a horse has improved out of sight after leaving the stable for 4 weeks and walking across the road to win a horse race. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 19 hours ago, Ashley said: Im entitled to an opinion and mine is that Tiley is a vastly superior trainer to both Liefting and Myers. He has had this horse for two starts and has had two wins and already increased its value as a broodmare tenfold. Whereas Myers is a journeyman he just drags horses all over the country to run multiple times against moderate opposition for pittance stake money. Yes everyone is entitled to an opinion even if its wrong, I haven't seen many journeymen win a Derby before or train multiple winners like Scapolo , Duffers Creek,Overtheriver etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 Myers is Gold alright..and he loves a good back up horse Getting back to Nigel's close shaves with bi carb though....and his recent 5k fine Ive just checked the 'bi carb testing register regime' And the Feds did the Industry day at Inbredcargill....but forgot to do Counties Cup day Now arksed yaself...wtf is going down with that lot?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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