Turny Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 What can they really do - short of a 100 per cent buy in you would be hung out big time - so the madness prevails but we all know in a few years there will be empty stands and only then will they take it seriously - madness but current reality 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIME FOR CHANGE Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 23 hours ago, Freda said: So the ' road show' will go ahead on trials day. Silly me, why would trainers have been considered anyway, getting ideas above their station now, they are. I was about to head out to leg my jockey up today to be intercepted by Timmy who was trying to explain that there were other people than just trainers who had to be considered. Of course these important people had schedules that had to be adhered to. What was I thinking? Fancy the idea of getting as many trainers together to have a discussion..we and our owners are going to be directly affected....but hey, no worries. I presume that Tim read your comments here so It's good to know that Tim reads this site. Maybe, just maybe he will read the comments here that he is way passed his use by date. He unfortunately does not have the qualifications to take this Club into the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Turny said: What can they really do - short of a 100 per cent buy in you would be hung out big time - so the madness prevails but we all know in a few years there will be empty stands and only then will they take it seriously - madness but current reality The stands have been empty for some years now , I take it the only ones attending the track would be his supporters or paid employees but there wouldn’t be to many of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 14 hours ago, Newmarket said: We have heard all this before, even on other site, trainers gonna strike, do this and that. But really they are all piss n wind types, just tells the general public that racing is doing ok. Just look around the country at the moment, people striking left right and centre, but not racing. Just complain and sit on their hands. It's all very well for you to wave a red flag...but bear in mind that there has to be a POINT to a strike. A specific rule or law that needs to be highlighted and challenged. In Queensland, stakeholders rallied together and presented a united front about the state government's application of their funding - POC tax I think it was. One issue that was been highlighted, reversed and extra money applied to ease their situation. There are SO MANY issues here, that striking [ IMO ] would just be a waste of time. The Fair Tax protests were well done and about a particular issue, and, with the help of a sympathetic Minister, sorted. But we promptly wasted the fruits of that gain to be back in the same position. What do we strike about? Funding is directly the function of the NZRB...so which - of the many - of their operations do we strike about? Get rid of them all, you may say. But that requires legislation and a complete re-hash of their function. Isn't that where we are now? ....and nothing has happened - yet -despite all the rhetoric from the same Minister.... and still the CEO tours around spinning the same B/S that we are supposed to swallow. NZTR - where to start ? date structure, handicapping, programming, 'tiered' racing/high top end stakes, track maintenance, integrity, apprentice training, horse welfare, allocation of turnover money on a club-by-club basis, lack of incentives, everywhere..the costs at office level, registrations/ownership changes, owners' privileges [ lack of ]......which bit would you like us to strike about again? And....just consider the position of a strong-minded trainer or trainers who decide to boycott a trials or racemeeting or in some other way disturb the heirarchy to make a point....round the corner will be a non-involved trainer who will leap upon the annoyed owners who have missed a race or races and there goes a client. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 The other aspect to this, is that the Minister has commissioned a report that recommends NZRB and NZTR be replaced by Wagering NZ and Racing NZ, with significant associated reform, that will supposedly double stake money The Minister has also very publicly made clear his disdain for the NZRB. The DIA are currently reviewing 160 submissions on the report. I'm not defending anyone, but you can see what the retort would be, if there were murmurings of a strike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Just my point Freda, you have stated so many issues in your last post that you feel strongly about, but trainers are just cruising along, waiting for a miracle. I have NO synpathy for trainers in nz, if they cant work together and stage some sort of fightback, they should not grizzle. As for owners getting upset if trainers striked, i doubt that very much. If it could help owners in the future, i am sure they would not mind planned strike, christ they have enough race meetings call off each year, why not have another, that will get media attention. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 You’ll never get or don’t expect owners support all there concerned about is the horse going around. This is all about trainers and Members of the CJC. Does anyone have the books and willing to show how much the clubs leaking money , put it up here to see for everyone to make up there own mind how well the clubs been run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Arsenic said: You’ll never get or don’t expect owners support all there concerned about is the horse going around. This is all about trainers and Members of the CJC. Does anyone have the books and willing to show how much the clubs leaking money , put it up here to see for everyone to make up there own mind how well the clubs been run. Yes, but we dont hear moaning from owners or cjc? Mainly from trainers, which fair, i think they have reasons to complain about their income etc. But, comes a time when they have to work as a team. Seems top tier trainers are doing it ok, hobby trainers not in it for money, but those middle tier trainers seem to be the ones making the noise. Harden up, get a swag of them together, boycot meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitman Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Freda said: It's all very well for you to wave a red flag...but bear in mind that there has to be a POINT to a strike. A specific rule or law that needs to be highlighted and challenged. In Queensland, stakeholders rallied together and presented a united front about the state government's application of their funding - POC tax I think it was. One issue that was been highlighted, reversed and extra money applied to ease their situation. There are SO MANY issues here, that striking [ IMO ] would just be a waste of time. The Fair Tax protests were well done and about a particular issue, and, with the help of a sympathetic Minister, sorted. But we promptly wasted the fruits of that gain to be back in the same position. What do we strike about? Funding is directly the function of the NZRB...so which - of the many - of their operations do we strike about? Get rid of them all, you may say. But that requires legislation and a complete re-hash of their function. Isn't that where we are now? ....and nothing has happened - yet -despite all the rhetoric from the same Minister.... and still the CEO tours around spinning the same B/S that we are supposed to swallow. NZTR - where to start ? date structure, handicapping, programming, 'tiered' racing/high top end stakes, track maintenance, integrity, apprentice training, horse welfare, allocation of turnover money on a club-by-club basis, lack of incentives, everywhere..the costs at office level, registrations/ownership changes, owners' privileges [ lack of ]......which bit would you like us to strike about again? And....just consider the position of a strong-minded trainer or trainers who decide to boycott a trials or racemeeting or in some other way disturb the heirarchy to make a point....round the corner will be a non-involved trainer who will leap upon the annoyed owners who have missed a race or races and there goes a client. Yes Pam I know who you are referring to!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 15 hours ago, Pitman said: Yes Pam I know who you are referring to!! Actually, Pitty, it isn't all about you. Do you agree with the above points? ...and if so, what - apart from waiting for the M report to be implemented - do you think we should aim to achieve? ...because I heard a whisper that the funding from NZ First has been put on the backburner, not sure the time frame or the reason...but if that is the case, your pet wish [ all weather track here ] may not be the given you think it is. If the oil is right, and the funding is delayed for a significant time, we will then be getting towards an election and Winston's mandate for change will be looking a bit shaky.....and this means that, as an industry, we need to DO something other than wring our hands. If Saundry, Jackson. Hughes and Allen keep on keeping on, we're right up the creek. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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