Billy Pinn pleads....IGORINCE

[Thomass]

So how can some of these jocks go through jockey life without knowing 'DA RULES'??

Billy pleads ignorance to the (admittedly very stupid NZTR rule) counting to a total of 10 strikes...5 being the limit before 100M but 6 & 7 allowed as long as the total at the end doesnt breach 10...ok?  #phew

Maybe he missed the email from jocks secretary Andy Lacy, "7 +3 = 10...6 +4 =10...11 and you're totally screwed...8 + before the 100M and you're absolutely f'ed even if you can count to 10...ok?" #2xphew

Ok, let's face it..it could be bloody confusing trying to line up the 100M mark when you're in a G1 squeeze  with Opee breaking the rules yet again, crossing within your length and another length all the while counting, when you went to school to eat your lunch sans basic maths

"Mr Pinn accepted Mr Oatham’s evidence regarding the number of strikes. He told the Adjudicative Committee that he had mistakenly believed that it did not matter how many times he used his whip prior to the 100 metres, provided that he did not use it more than 10 times in total prior to the finishing line. He had not used his whip at all inside the final 100 metres, he said."

It's been a shocking few weeks for Pinn, thinking he's been singled out for the numerous careless riding charges then failing to get the email of how to count proper...let alone how to speak proper

it's enough to make you want to dye your hair pink

 

[Murray Fish]

14 minutes ago, Thomass said:

.let alone how to speak proper

which is a learned skill, takes some longer to master, similar with riding a race out! he is still a young fella!

[Trojan]

8 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

which is a learned skill, takes some longer to master, similar with riding a race out! he is still a young fella!

Will win the Premiership.  

[Thomass]

Actually you're right, most do remarkably well being so young so full marks to those apprentices

When senior trainers  Ralph Manning and Dummy Meyers tried one said "the handicappers are corrupt" and "i had to lie to the punters to protect the owners price"

Both never to be heard from again, albeit to pick up an award

And then Big Red Sharrock to Rodley

"what chances Al?"

"a bloke out the back asked, I said "he's black and he's old" he said "Id rather be black"

WTAF!!!

What's black got to do with things from a performance basis??  Obviously connecting both "black" &  "old" with a negative vibe

As a result ENTAIN introduced media training to the unfortunates who don't know how the f to behave

[Chief Stipe]

Well @Thomass I know you have started drinking down at Kohi already for the day but if you weren't ignorant you'd know how to spell ignorance.  If you keep taking the piss like that you will be moderated.

[Thomass]

Well chef it was deliberate act to point out the irony of failing to spell IGNORANT 

of course your outstanding website had already alerted moi to the error with a big fat red line under it ffs

which moi has

[Murray Fish]

4 hours ago, Thomass said:

of course your outstanding website

 

be kind!

 

[Thomass]

So here's yet another jock who didn't get Andy Lacy's email

While Mr Singh agreed that he had used the whip 8 times prior to the 100m, he defended the charge. This was due to himself and other Riders’ misunderstanding of the exceptions to this Rule. There are only 2 exceptions, specifically:

(A) a Rider strikes a horse six times prior to the 100-metre mark, provided that the rider does not strike the horse more than four times after the 100-metre mark, (Amended 26 June 2023).

(B) a Rider strikes a horse seven times prior to the 100-metre mark, provided that the rider does not strike the horse more than 3 times after the 100-metre mark, (Amended 26 June 2023).

How hard can it be?  Do Stewards need to have a monthly reminder meeting in the jocks room perhaps?

Edited October 31, 2024 by Thomass

[curious]

I think the rule is crap and confusing and not consistent with international standards, aside from being hard to implement and monitor. Why not just simplify it to say 6 strikes for the whole race?

[Thomass]

Absolutely convoluted and NZTR's many variations of the 'whip rule' show how bloody confused they are and that's obviously resonated with the jockeys

What idiot organisation would make an already highly dangerous profession more dangerous by requiring counting and the distraction of trying to line up the 100M pole?

Maybe 6 but what about 4 and the Galop France rule?  Watching a French race and the aesthetic looks normal sans flailing whips that Australasian jockeys display

And lets be clear, our jockeys are CHEATING

Watch Sam Spratt head on in a tight finish and she's smacking the flank every stride on the pretense of 'showing the whip'

Stewards prefer to ignore that fact because it's just too hard to police a 'half strike'

Lets hope they've resurrected their senses in the next iteration of their 'whip confusion' and finally include what they signed up for in 2020 and

BAN FLANK WHIPPING

Craig Grylls will have to substantially change his style but sobeit  

[curious]

23 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Absolutely convoluted and NZTR's many variations of the 'whip rule' show how bloody confused they are and that's obviously resonated with the jockeys

What idiot organisation would make an already highly dangerous profession more dangerous by requiring counting and the distraction of trying to line up the 100M pole?

Maybe 6 but what about 4 and the Galop France rule?  Watching a French race and the aesthetic looks normal sans flailing whips that Australasian jockeys display

And lets be clear, our jockeys are CHEATING

Watch Sam Spratt head on in a tight finish and she's smacking the flank every stride on the pretense of 'showing the whip'

Stewards prefer to ignore that fact because it's just too hard to police a 'half strike'

Lets hope they've resurrected their senses in the next iteration of their 'whip confusion' and finally include what they signed up for in 2020 and

BAN FLANK WHIPPING

Craig Grylls will have to substantially change his style but sobeit  

Yeahh. I'd probably add hands on the reins between strikes and preferably 3 strides between to give the horse time to respond. Much simpler for jockeys to do and stewards to monitor. They told me that proposed new rules would ban strikes on the flank. No sign of those out for consultation yet though.

[Freda]

57 minutes ago, curious said:

I think the rule is crap and confusing and not consistent with international standards, aside from being hard to implement and monitor. Why not just simplify it to say 6 strikes for the whole race?

Agree 100%.

 

[Thomass]

Have a look how well the 4 strikes work in a major race

It's the near future here shirley

[curious]

16 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Have a look how well the 4 strikes work in a major race

It's the near future here shirley

Watch the Breeders' Cup races the next couple of days. 6 strike per race max and disqualification from millions for excessive breaches. We are so far behind the rest of the world on this. It's embarrassing to say the least.

Edited October 31, 2024 by curious

[Special Agent]

Every jockey is entitled to defend themselves, whether they be innocent or guilty.

There are jockeys who seem to count okay.

NZTR do tend to over complicate everything.

[Thomass]

45 minutes ago, curious said:

Yeahh. I'd probably add hands on the reins between strikes and preferably 3 strides between to give the horse time to respond. Much simpler for jockeys to do and stewards to monitor. They told me that proposed new rules would ban strikes on the flank. No sign of those out for consultation yet though.

Makes total sense

One of the reasons they used for only alternate strikes was the aesthetic but that's simply not working with the likes of Spratt and others appearing to use the whip every stride

The kids watching think its every stride and that's what surely counts? 

[Thomass]

9 minutes ago, curious said:

Watch the Breeders' Cup races the next couple of days. 6 strike max and disqualification from millions for excessive breeches.

Can't wait

fined millions, soiled breeches?

[Murray Fish]

26 minutes ago, Thomass said:

It's the near future here shirley

what brilliant film coverage!  how drones should be used! you could Feel the action of the race!

[curious]

1 minute ago, Murray Fish said:

what brilliant film coverage!  how drones should be used! you could Feel the action of the race!

...and not see any soiled breeches?

[curious]

3 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

what brilliant film coverage!  how drones should be used! you could Feel the action of the race!

If your French isn't too flash, here it is in English.

 

[Murray Fish]

1 minute ago, curious said:

...and not see any soiled breeches?

 

I would have to admit this race is one that I have not really followed, as much for the difficult tracks that the race seems to be raced on! 

 

Talking things Juddmonte!  what be their genius?  The GOAT of Horse breeding and racing?

[Special Agent]

3 hours ago, Thomass said:

So here's yet another jock who didn't get Andy Lacy's email

While Mr Singh agreed that he had used the whip 8 times prior to the 100m, he defended the charge. This was due to himself and other Riders’ misunderstanding of the exceptions to this Rule. There are only 2 exceptions, specifically:

(A) a Rider strikes a horse six times prior to the 100-metre mark, provided that the rider does not strike the horse more than four times after the 100-metre mark, (Amended 26 June 2023).

(B) a Rider strikes a horse seven times prior to the 100-metre mark, provided that the rider does not strike the horse more than 3 times after the 100-metre mark, (Amended 26 June 2023).

Wiremu and Madan are not stupid people.  These exceptions are confusing.  As the NZJA head, and consulted by NZTR, how did Andy ensure all jockeys understood the changes to the whip rule?  If they have been in place since June 2023 why have they taken 16 months to be enforced?

What jurisdiction has rules and then adds two exceptions?

[curious]

I see the proposed new whip rules are now out to the TA for consultation. Time to have your say.

3. WHIP USE.
Background:
The International Agreement on Breeding, Racing and Wagering contains a number of
prohibitions on the use of the whip by riders in Flat and Jumps races. Most of these
prohibitions are contained in Rule 638(3)(f). In order to align the Rules with the International
Agreement it is proposed that Rule 638(3)(f) be amended as follows:
(f) Without limiting the generality of subrule 638(3)(e), in a Flat Race or Jumping Race, a
Trial (including jump-outs and/or tests for certification purposes) a Rider must not use
his or her whip:
(i) forward of the Rider’s horse’s shoulder or in the vicinity of its head; or
(ii) using an action that raises the Rider’s arm above shoulder height; or
(iii) when the Rider’s horse is out of contention of winning or otherwise finishing in
the first five placings; or
(iv) when the Rider’s horse is showing no response; or
(v) after passing the winning post; or
(vi) in a manner that causes a welt and/or injury to the Rider’s horse; or
(vii) when the Rider’s horse is clearly winning; or
(viii) when the Rider’s horse has no reasonable prospect of improving or losing its
position; or
(ix) in a manner where the seam of the flap is the point of contact with the horse,
unless the Rider satisfies the Stewards that that was neither deliberate nor
reckless; or
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(x) on the flank of the Rider’s horse; or
(xi) forward of the Rider’s saddle whilst the whip is held in the forehand position.

[Mardy]

On 31/10/2024 at 1:43 PM, Trojan said:

Will win the Premiership.  

Bold statement.