Chief Stipe Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 16 minutes ago, Wingman said: And that view is? It will race a bit fairer as the surface and sub-surface is more consistent across the width of the straight. However that is subject to wear and tear and where they place the rail. They missed a golden opportunity to reshape the course to make it fairer. The home straight entry and exits favour those on the inside. I've hated the exit for decades watching the Derby. They could have fixed that. The camber on the home turn drops away too soon. That's because they didn't realign the 2400m start - again the Derby. You have two options - you either wait for an inside rails run or start moving at the 600m to get handy. I don't care what anyone says the soil (if you could call it that) is basically pure sand. Essentially it is grass growing hydroponically. Which grass isn't suited to do hence the need for continual irrigation and verti-draining/coring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted November 8 Author Share Posted November 8 OK. Thanks for the comprehensive input. There is 3 meetings over 12 days Nov 30th, Dec 7th and then a m/w on 12th and after that we should have a better idea and opinions of the track leading into boxing day/new year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 21 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Friday Morning Weather: Overcast Track: Soft 7 Moisture Meter: 51.4% Rail: True Rainfall: No Rain Last 24 Hours | 9mm Rain Last 7 Days Irrigation: 18mm Last 24 Hours Weather and Track updated at 9.10am Friday 8 November Thursday Morning Weather: Fine Track: Soft 6 Moisture Meter: 42.3% Rail: True Rainfall: No Rain Last 24 Hours | 9mm Rain Last 7 Days Irrigation: 10mm to be applied today Weather and Track updated at 10.53 Thursday 7 November https://loveracing.nz/News/47212/TRACKPREVIEWPukekohePark-Thursday7November.aspx Withdrawal Morning Weather: Fine Track: Soft 7 Moisture Meter: 50.9% Rail: True Rainfall: No Rain Last 24 Hours | 9mm Rain Last 7 Days Irrigation: 12mm Irrigation Applied Over Weekend Weather and Track updated at 8.55am Wednesday 6 November Nomination Morning Weather: Overcast Track: Heavy 8 Moisture Meter: 51.8% Rail: True Rainfall: 1mm Rain Last 24 Hours | 9mm Rain Last 7 Days Irrigation: 12mm Irrigation Applied Over Weekend Weather and Track updated at 9.12am Tuesday 5 November Hmmm. Still a S6 this morning. Race Day Weather: Overcast Track: Soft 6 Moisture Meter: 50.1% Rail: True Rainfall: No Rain Last 24 Hours | 9mm Rain Last 7 Days Irrigation: N/A Weather and Track updated at 6.57am Saturday 9 November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, curious said: Hmmm. Still a S6 this morning. Race Day Weather: Overcast Track: Soft 6 Moisture Meter: 50.1% Rail: True Rainfall: No Rain Last 24 Hours | 9mm Rain Last 7 Days Irrigation: N/A Weather and Track updated at 6.57am Saturday 9 November Eh? When did they last calibrate their moisture meter? Nomination Morning Heavy 8 51.8% Withdrawal Morning Soft 7 50.9% Thursday Morning Soft 6 42.3% Friday Morning Soft 7 51.4% Raceday Soft 6 50.1% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 No penetrometer reading. Have Clubs been advised to do away with this measure? Thinking about the moisture meter variation - wouldn't you have to take readings from the same spots for it to be accurate? Unlike the penetrometer the moisture meter would be influenced more by localised soil structure. On the flip side it is more likely to be affected by uneven irrigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Meanwhile at Flemington: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 24 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Eh? When did they last calibrate their moisture meter? Nomination Morning Heavy 8 51.8% Withdrawal Morning Soft 7 50.9% Thursday Morning Soft 6 42.3% Friday Morning Soft 7 51.4% Raceday Soft 6 50.1% I wonder how saline their irrigation water is. In my experience, salt completely buggers up moisture meter readings. Those are all over the place but if they just guess the track readings or report what they want to, then it could be those not the moisture readings that are out of whack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 53 minutes ago, curious said: I wonder how saline their irrigation water is. In my experience, salt completely buggers up moisture meter readings. Those are all over the place but if they just guess the track readings or report what they want to, then it could be those not the moisture readings that are out of whack. Very good point about the saline. Do nitrate levels affect it as well? I suspect the Rating might be one point out which seems to be common for most track reports that we get. In the absence of penetrometer or Going Stick readings I can't see how the Track ratings can be anything but finger in the ground subjective guesses. So expect to see a one point upgrade after race one taking it to a Soft 5. Then a one point upgrade after race two - G4. Then a retrospective upgrade of another point in the Stewards report - G3. Everything will be a recommended G4 improving to a G3 by mid-afternoon. Which means it will probably end up a G2. The big question is - where is the fast lane and who knows where it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Well got that wrong. If anything the track might be a Soft 7!!! Doesn't look as warm as forecast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 and son Pitman suggest too much water put on track on thurs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Geez judging by the time in the Guineas it's probably a G4 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Geez judging by the time in the Guineas it's probably a G4 now. What time did they go ? Sam Spratt sure is a fine rider. Off the fence turning in taking no chances. She did keep driving hard with whip last 100-150 even when racing away clear from the field on Savaglee. Again taking no chances 😅. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 2:02 isn't too bad for an R75 2000m either!! Definitely was a Good 4 at least by then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Gammalite said: What time did they go ? They went 1:33.89. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: They went 1:33.89. holy moly 😳. that's rolling along . doubt that Pride of Jenni will even run them along at that rate in the Big Mile shortly at Flemington. My guess is Mickey Dee in 1.35 on Broadsiding late.😁👍 (Mickey won the first race over a mile today in 1.36.8 on a good4 Flemington lol ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 19 minutes ago, Gammalite said: (Mickey won the first race over a mile today in 1.36.8 on a good4 Flemington lol ) That's exactly what the R75 last race at Riccarton was won in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 The track seemed to play quite fair today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 36 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: 2:02 isn't too bad for an R75 2000m either!! Definitely was a Good 4 at least by then. And that with not much early pace. Sectionals will be interesting through the day. 55.3 for 1000 ain't too slow either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Mr B in 1.36 neat in the Flemington Champions mile... . Savaglee would of won it by lengths ? 🤣 Blinkers on Mr B made all the difference there Chief. 😋 he's a ripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 52 minutes ago, curious said: And that with not much early pace. Sectionals will be interesting through the day. 55.3 for 1000 ain't too slow either. Yeah well it wasn't a Soft 5 midway through the raceday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 20 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Yeah well it wasn't a Soft 5 midway through the raceday. It's surprising to me that it wasn't upgraded to a good 4 after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Savaglee’s Guineas win came in a sizzling time of 1:33.86 – the third-fastest recorded in the race. It was beaten only by Xtravagant’s 1:33.59 in 2015 and Ugo Foscolo’s 1:33.81 a year later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 3 hours ago, curious said: Savaglee’s Guineas win came in a sizzling time of 1:33.86 – the third-fastest recorded in the race. It was beaten only by Xtravagant’s 1:33.59 in 2015 and Ugo Foscolo’s 1:33.81 a year later. And that with 'too much water' ? what utter bollocks. For once, the CJC track staff deserve praise for getting the surface as spot on as could be managed - esp given the capricious weather. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 3 hours ago, curious said: Savaglee’s Guineas win came in a sizzling time of 1:33.86 – the third-fastest recorded in the race. It was beaten only by Xtravagant’s 1:33.59 in 2015 and Ugo Foscolo’s 1:33.81 a year later. He's a lovely quality sort too. Not overly big, but beautifully balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 hour ago, Freda said: And that with 'too much water' ? what utter bollocks. For once, the CJC track staff deserve praise for getting the surface as spot on as could be managed - esp given the capricious weather. If the choice is race on a Soft 6 or have a horse spend 12 hours in a float because the meeting was abandoned after Race 1 then I'd go for the Soft 6. However the reported ratings and other rating metrics (or lack of) are a nonsense and ultimately detract from the good efforts of track staff. Why didn't they upgrade the track rating later to what was obviously a Good 4? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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