Murray Fish Posted November 18, 2024 Share Posted November 18, 2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted November 18, 2024 Author Share Posted November 18, 2024 some interesting comments on prize money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 18, 2024 Share Posted November 18, 2024 Thanks for posting that. Makes me sad in a way that we don't have anything here resembling that kind of journalism and interviewing skill, let alone the informed opinion and insight of the interviewee. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted November 18, 2024 Author Share Posted November 18, 2024 19 minutes ago, curious said: Makes me sad in a way that we don't have anything here resembling that kind of journalism and interviewing skill, let alone the informed opinion and insight of the interviewee. lol! we do have a lot of naïve enthusiasm though! sigh! and plenty of sycophantic brown nosing as well! wow behold any '' realpolitik! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 18, 2024 Share Posted November 18, 2024 11 hours ago, Murray Fish said: lol! we do have a lot of naïve enthusiasm though! sigh! and plenty of sycophantic brown nosing as well! wow behold any '' realpolitik! Yeah, sadly nothing approaching the above podcast. What insightful comment, thanks from me too for putting that up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragedy Beat Posted November 18, 2024 Share Posted November 18, 2024 An outstanding interview (take note Trackside!). Could listen to Freedman for hours. Glad he brought up that they had a heap in their stable in their prime, but he is right - the big trainers are too big. And its wrong because no one can give 500 plus horses the correct attention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 18, 2024 Share Posted November 18, 2024 Same situation occurs here but obviously on a smaller scale. Strike rate trainers with huge teams(owners and the public misinterpreting the correlation between training, culling and winning) , expensive yearlings winning 1 or 2 races , money floating upwards with a few scraps thrown to the bottom (of which the big guys go and get anyway) . Fan boys thinking this is good for the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 18, 2024 Share Posted November 18, 2024 4 hours ago, Tragedy Beat said: And its wrong because no one can give 500 plus horses the correct attention. But they don't have ONE person giving the attention. Waller for example has a number of foreman and assistants below him. Just to wind @Huey up although Te Akau don't have 400 horses probably closer to 150 in work at any one time they have a very talented crew assisting Mark Walker and Sam Bergerson. Hunter Durant in CHCH. Ben Gleeson in Melbourne. Sam, Hunter and Ben would make excellent trainers in their own right. Nicole Shailer at Matamata knows her stuff too. So like any successful large organisation big trainers have devolved some day to day decision making down the chain. Of course don't forget that these stables employ a lot of people. Some stables have higher attrition rates than others however at the end of the day all stables have an attrition rate. I don't think you can argue that smaller stables necessarily give more attention to their horses on the flip side the smaller stable is more likely to persevere with a plodder longer than they should. Come in @Huey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: But they don't have ONE person giving the attention. Waller for example has a number of foreman and assistants below him. Just to wind @Huey up although Te Akau don't have 400 horses probably closer to 150 in work at any one time they have a very talented crew assisting Mark Walker and Sam Bergerson. Hunter Durant in CHCH. Ben Gleeson in Melbourne. Sam, Hunter and Ben would make excellent trainers in their own right. Nicole Shailer at Matamata knows her stuff too. So like any successful large organisation big trainers have devolved some day to day decision making down the chain. Of course don't forget that these stables employ a lot of people. Some stables have higher attrition rates than others however at the end of the day all stables have an attrition rate. I don't think you can argue that smaller stables necessarily give more attention to their horses on the flip side the smaller stable is more likely to persevere with a plodder longer than they should. Come in @Huey. You'll never know if these guys can train unless/until they go out on their own and try . It's far more the model that's works no matter what than it is any given trainer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 "the model"? What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 41 minutes ago, Huey said: You'll never know if these guys can train unless/until they go out on their own and try . It's far more the model that's works no matter what than it is any given trainer. Really? Is that why Jamie Richards isn't doing too well in Hong Kong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Really? Is that why Jamie Richards isn't doing too well in Hong Kong? No idea haven't been following him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 2 hours ago, curious said: "the model"? What do you mean? C'mon you need help understanding how the business model of these bigger stables works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 OK I will play the raw prawn on behalf of 'the team'. Please elaborate re business model, 101 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Huey said: C'mon you need help understanding how the business model of these bigger stables works? Not sure. What Wingman said. I thought you were referring to the training/conditioning model, not the business model. Edited November 19, 2024 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 13 hours ago, Wingman said: OK I will play the raw prawn on behalf of 'the team'. Please elaborate re business model, 101 Watch the sales today , that should give you move than enough evidence of how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 1 hour ago, Huey said: Watch the sales today , that should give you move than enough evidence of how it works. What should we look for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What should we look for? The results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 4 minutes ago, Huey said: The results The sales results? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 5 minutes ago, Trojan said: The sales results? What about the sales results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: What about the sales results? A proper fan boy like you couldn't miss them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 You mean this Huey? https://www.racing.com/videos/2024-11-20/vinnie-colt-breaks-australasian-sales-record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 Hilarious shenanigans, yet another G1 TA trained mare goes for silly money . You'd have to be seriously naive a fan boy of the all the fan boys or both to believe all these theatrics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 8 hours ago, Huey said: Hilarious shenanigans, yet another G1 TA trained mare goes for silly money . You'd have to be seriously naive a fan boy of the all the fan boys or both to believe all these theatrics! What mare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 25 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What mare? https://www.racing.com/videos/2024-11-20/vinnie-colt-breaks-australasian-sales-record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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