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Richard Freedman shares his views on...

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curious Grand Master

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Thanks for posting that. Makes me sad in a way that we don't have anything here resembling that kind of journalism and interviewing skill, let alone the informed opinion and insight of the interviewee.

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Murray Fish Mentor

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19 minutes ago, curious said:

Makes me sad in a way that we don't have anything here resembling that kind of journalism and interviewing skill, let alone the informed opinion and insight of the interviewee.

lol! we do have a lot of naïve enthusiasm though! sigh! and plenty of sycophantic  brown nosing as well!  wow behold any '' realpolitik! :)

Freda Grand Master

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11 hours ago, Murray Fish said:

lol! we do have a lot of naïve enthusiasm though! sigh! and plenty of sycophantic  brown nosing as well!  wow behold any '' realpolitik! :)

Yeah, sadly nothing approaching the above podcast. 

What insightful comment,  thanks from me too for putting that up.

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An outstanding interview (take note Trackside!). Could listen to Freedman for hours. Glad he brought up that they had a heap in their stable in their prime, but he is right - the big trainers are too big. And its wrong because no one can give 500 plus horses the correct attention.

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Huey Grand Master

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Same situation occurs here but obviously on a smaller scale. 

Strike rate trainers with huge teams(owners and the public misinterpreting the correlation between training,  culling and winning) , expensive yearlings winning 1 or 2 races , money floating upwards with a  few scraps thrown to the bottom (of which the big guys go and get anyway) .

Fan boys thinking this is good for the sport.

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Chief Stipe Grand Master

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4 hours ago, Tragedy Beat said:

And its wrong because no one can give 500 plus horses the correct attention.

But they don't have ONE person giving the attention.

Waller for example has a number of foreman and assistants below him.

Just to wind @Huey up although Te Akau don't have 400 horses probably closer to 150 in work at any one time they have a very talented crew assisting Mark Walker and Sam Bergerson.  Hunter Durant in CHCH.  Ben Gleeson in Melbourne.  Sam, Hunter and Ben would make excellent trainers in their own right.  Nicole Shailer at Matamata knows her stuff too.  So like any successful large organisation big trainers have devolved some day to day decision making down the chain.

Of course don't forget that these stables employ a lot of people.  

Some stables have higher attrition rates than others however at the end of the day all stables have an attrition rate.  I don't think you can argue that smaller stables necessarily give more attention to their horses on the flip side the smaller stable is more likely to persevere with a plodder longer than they should.

Come in @Huey.

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Huey Grand Master

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4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

But they don't have ONE person giving the attention.

Waller for example has a number of foreman and assistants below him.

Just to wind @Huey up although Te Akau don't have 400 horses probably closer to 150 in work at any one time they have a very talented crew assisting Mark Walker and Sam Bergerson.  Hunter Durant in CHCH.  Ben Gleeson in Melbourne.  Sam, Hunter and Ben would make excellent trainers in their own right.  Nicole Shailer at Matamata knows her stuff too.  So like any successful large organisation big trainers have devolved some day to day decision making down the chain.

Of course don't forget that these stables employ a lot of people.  

Some stables have higher attrition rates than others however at the end of the day all stables have an attrition rate.  I don't think you can argue that smaller stables necessarily give more attention to their horses on the flip side the smaller stable is more likely to persevere with a plodder longer than they should.

Come in @Huey.

You'll never know if these guys can train unless/until they go out on their own and try . It's far more the model that's works no matter what than it is any given trainer.

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Chief Stipe Grand Master

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41 minutes ago, Huey said:

You'll never know if these guys can train unless/until they go out on their own and try . It's far more the model that's works no matter what than it is any given trainer.

Really?  Is that why Jamie Richards isn't doing too well in Hong Kong?

curious Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Huey said:

C'mon you need help understanding how the business model of these bigger stables works? 

Not sure. What Wingman said. I thought you were referring to the training/conditioning model, not the business model.

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Huey Grand Master

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13 hours ago, Wingman said:

OK I will play the raw prawn on behalf of 'the team'. Please elaborate re business model, 101

Watch the sales today , that should give you move than enough evidence of how it works.

Huey Grand Master

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Hilarious shenanigans,  yet another G1 TA trained mare goes for silly money .

You'd have to be seriously naive a fan boy of the all the fan boys or both to believe all these theatrics!

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8 hours ago, Huey said:

Hilarious shenanigans,  yet another G1 TA trained mare goes for silly money .

You'd have to be seriously naive a fan boy of the all the fan boys or both to believe all these theatrics!

What mare?

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