Pete Lane Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Horses like him generate public interest so the promotion of them is good for the industry. I’d be pretty insulted if I owned one of the beaten brigade in that race and read that Huey essentially believes their horse is crap. News flash - they’re two year olds at the start of their career. Balmerino had a single start as a juvenile and only ran third - the rest is history. The second horse is pushing on to the Karaka Millions - that tells me it may be better than our resident belittler thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 16 minutes ago, Huey said: No that's a question , what did it beat is a question. Apparently its great for NZ breeding, how ? Don't play a game of tautology. The inference is it beat nothing therefore you are belittling its performance. I've just answered the question regarding how it is good for NZ breeding. If a NZ colt can't beat or even get near an OZ bred colt at Pukekohe then it isn't the best of the breed is it? Take the OZ bred out and you have a NZ colt with black type. You'd like that wouldn't you? So I guess you have changed your view now about the Karaka Sweepstake races and the new Ellerslie sweepstake and slot races? Afterall the two best fillies racing in NZ are not eligible for them. I suppose that can be blamed on the Waikato mafia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 2 minutes ago, Pete Lane said: The second horse is pushing on to the Karaka Millions - that tells me it may be better than our resident belittler thinks. The winner isn't eligible for the KM. I'm guessing @Huey likes that. Now if the OZ bred gets black type across the ditch doesn't that raise the value of the second placed filly? The irony of course which escapes @Huey is the second horse was Ozzie bred too except it just happened to be sold at Karaka. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Not to mention of course that the top NZ colt, a NZ bred, is sidestepping the big NZ Sweepstake and Slot races and aiming for an Ozzie Grp 1. Trained of course by an ex-Te Akau trainer who is doing very well in her own right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: The winner isn't eligible for the KM. I'm guessing @Huey likes that. Now if the OZ bred gets black type across the ditch doesn't that raise the value of the second placed filly? The irony of course which escapes @Huey is the second horse was Ozzie bred too except it just happened to be sold at Karaka. Looking forward to seeing it go around in the Magic Millions and I hope it gives them windburn and bolts in , I'll be the first to congratulate them. No , no it doesn't raise the value of the 2nd placed filly, of course I know its Aus bred certainly not by an elite Sire (yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 1 hour ago, Pete Lane said: Horses like him generate public interest so the promotion of them is good for the industry. I’d be pretty insulted if I owned one of the beaten brigade in that race and read that Huey essentially believes their horse is crap. News flash - they’re two year olds at the start of their career. Balmerino had a single start as a juvenile and only ran third - the rest is history. The second horse is pushing on to the Karaka Millions - that tells me it may be better than our resident belittler thinks. Stop mincing my words, looking for a cheap insult to back up your claims. Horses like him don't create interest until they get to their level, they do however create hype and delusion all integral parts of the machine behind it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Not to mention of course that the top NZ colt, a NZ bred, is sidestepping the big NZ Sweepstake and Slot races and aiming for an Ozzie Grp 1. Trained of course by an ex-Te Akau trainer who is doing very well in her own right. That horse certainly hasn't been over hyped & its reached elite level, I hope it performs very well in Aus i'll be 100% behind it doing so. TA trainer , you like to draw a long bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Fan Boy Club won't know what to do with yourselves this week, you'll get twice the hype in 7 days with the $1.1m Zoustar colt off to Otaki , can't wait to hear how exciting it is . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 1 hour ago, Huey said: That horse certainly hasn't been over hyped & its reached elite level, I hope it performs very well in Aus i'll be 100% behind it doing so. TA trainer , you like to draw a long bow. Would you like me to post all the press articles about Savaglee and the comments from Williams? Pam Gerard was at Te Akau for 5 years from 2011 to 2016. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 30 minutes ago, Huey said: Fan Boy Club won't know what to do with yourselves this week, you'll get twice the hype in 7 days with the $1.1m Zoustar colt off to Otaki , can't wait to hear how exciting it is . Yep and you'll have something else to be negative about one way or another. What is your beef with TA? It seems personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Yep and you'll have something else to be negative about one way or another. What is your beef with TA? It seems personal. This one is headed to the Magic Millions Chief, one of them may have to as there are only 2 NZ 2yo G1's from memory. Do you think this one , the Snitzel and the IAV will all win G1's ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 7 hours ago, Huey said: Fan Boy Club won't know what to do with yourselves this week, you'll get twice the hype in 7 days with the $1.1m Zoustar colt off to Otaki , can't wait to hear how exciting it is . And he will piss in too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 12 minutes ago, All The Aces said: And he will piss in too. And @Huey will be pissed too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: And @Huey will be pissed too. Not one bit, but can't wait to see it in the Magic Millions race for 2yos , surely thats where its headed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 11 minutes ago, Huey said: Not one bit, but can't wait to see it in the Magic Millions race for 2yos , surely thats where its headed? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Why? Duh because it was bought out of that sale, try to keep up Chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 41 minutes ago, Huey said: Duh because it was bought out of that sale, try to keep up Chief. That's obviously an option but not a reason. So I gather you haven't done any cogent in-depth analysis. I would say the Magic Millions Race isn't a high priority as it doesn't tick all the boxes for making a stallion nor necessarily what's best for the horse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 17 hours ago, Huey said: This one is headed to the Magic Millions Chief, one of them may have to as there are only 2 NZ 2yo G1's from memory. Do you think this one , the Snitzel and the IAV will all win G1's ? The magic millions races aren't group races of course. If they wanted to make him into a stallion they would need to target a decent group race somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: That's obviously an option but not a reason. So I gather you haven't done any cogent in-depth analysis. I would say the Magic Millions Race isn't a high priority as it doesn't tick all the boxes for making a stallion nor necessarily what's best for the horse. Tell that to the purchasers of STORM BOY whose sale price went ballistic after winning the MM with an exceptional rating 50m to Coolmore, who aren't mugs last time I looked Subsequently only won a G3, maybe they are?? Aidan O'Brien now preparing to improve the rating at Ascot next summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 31 minutes ago, Thomass said: Tell that to the purchasers of STORM BOY whose sale price went ballistic after winning the MM with an exceptional rating 50m to Coolmore, who aren't mugs last time I looked Subsequently only won a G3, maybe they are?? Aidan O'Brien now preparing to improve the rating at Ascot next summer I think the $50m was contingent on him winning certain subsequent races, which of course he didn't. I haven't seen any mention of what the actual sale price was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 6 minutes ago, Doomed said: I think the $50m was contingent on him winning certain subsequent races, which of course he didn't. I haven't seen any mention of what the actual sale price was. You're right You'd think the deal would also involve any future G1's to get somewhere nearer 50M, perhaps at Ascot next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 44 minutes ago, Thomass said: Tell that to the purchasers of STORM BOY whose sale price went ballistic after winning the MM with an exceptional rating 50m to Coolmore, who aren't mugs last time I looked I said it didn't tick ALL the boxes. Are you illiterate? I think Coolmore might have gone too early. 47 minutes ago, Thomass said: Subsequently only won a G3, maybe they are?? It was a Grp 2. The Skyline Stakes. You aren't a detail person are you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 15 minutes ago, Doomed said: I think the $50m was contingent on him winning certain subsequent races, which of course he didn't. I haven't seen any mention of what the actual sale price was. Correct. His first up this latest campaign didn't look that promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I said it didn't tick ALL the boxes. Are you illiterate? I think Coolmore might have gone too early. It was a Grp 2. The Skyline Stakes. You aren't a detail person are you. How many boxes do ya need when you get 50M filthy lucre?? Oh oops, did I say sub when i meant sequentially, i think?? Yes, the Magnier's are renowned for going too early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 15 minutes ago, Thomass said: How many boxes do ya need when you get 50M filthy lucre?? You are illiterate. 16 minutes ago, Thomass said: Yes, the Magnier's are renowned for going too early Well they haven't have they as there are terms that must be met first. I would say the value of Storm Boy is considerably less than $50m now. Now the bind for the owners is do they geld him or not or try and get some decent Grp level form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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