Bosson sacked from Te Akau contract??

[Chief Stipe]

6 minutes ago, Freda said:

Of course, I have to ask, why did a jockey of Bosson's class wait for a horse to 'twice duck away from the whip'  instead of immediately swapping the stick over to keep it straight?

Did you watch the head on?  Didn't the horse on the inside run out and bump first?  

[curious]

Certainly not that I could see. That's his bullying riding style. Has been for a long time and he risks it and takes the punishment. Might be part of why he has ridden 99 Group 1 winners. Take no prisoners approach.

Edited December 9 by curious

[Thomass]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Really you do write some BS.  Normally you would be all over a RIB decision like this with all its inconsistencies but you are intent on Te Akau and Bosson bashing.  Bosson pleaded guilty.  Isn't that enough?  However you and the Stipes appear to want him to take the knee.  He offered a reason why it occurred - Mr Bosson said his mount was “green” and twice “ducked away” from his use of the whip on its right flank.

https://racingintegrityboard.org.nz/decisions/waikato-tr-3-october-2024-r3-opie-bosson/

If you look clearly at the head on Stipes vision you can clearly see the horse ducked in when whipped.  I'm surprised Bosson didn't defend the charge however as you have pointed out many times @Thomass defending a charge usually results in a bigger penalty.  Like many riders and drivers I'm sure  Bosson was resigned to the fact he was going to be found guilty, tried to mitigate the penalty by pleading guilty and couldn't bring himself to grovel for something he had little control over i.e. a horse ducking in away from the whip.

 

 

Open your eyes Magoo

He'd ALREADY ducked in 2 widths BEFORE he started his bashathon

Weirdly racing follows the law of totality

let off with the 2nd interference because the 'law' is an ass

And you know ass when you choose to see it

[Trojan]

36 minutes ago, curious said:

Certainly not that I could see. That's his bullying riding style. Has been for a long time and he risks it and takes the punishment. Might be part of why he has ridden 99 Group 1 winners. Take no prisoners approach.

That's why he is successful in OZ is it not?

[Chief Stipe]

32 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Open your eyes Magoo

He'd ALREADY ducked in 2 widths BEFORE he started his bashathon

Weirdly racing follows the law of totality

let off with the 2nd interference because the 'law' is an ass

And you know ass when you choose to see it

@Thomass you are seriously in danger of being banned completely from this site which would make it half a dozen wouldn't it?

You've been warned.

[Thomass]

32 minutes ago, Trojan said:

That's why he is successful in OZ is it not?

Does it there as well

March 2023

Jockey Opie Bosson might have won a Group 1 on Friday night — but what the hell was he thinking?

The same goes for Nash Rawiller.

Have both of these world-class jockeys been hiding under a rock for the past three weeks?

There were two separate and dangerous incidents Bosson and Rawiller were responsible for in the Group 1 William Reid Stakes at Moonee Valley on Friday night.

Both jockeys have been rightfully suspended for 11 and 12 meetings respectively.

Both incidents could have easily caused two falls; they were just lucky that didn't happen.

Under the circumstances, Bosson and Rawiller should have been rubbed out for longer.

Given what's happened in Victoria over the past three weeks — separate falls leaving Jamie Kah, Craig Williams, Ethan Brown and Teo Nugent with serious injuries — one would have thought our jockeys would play by the rules.

Opie and Nash — perhaps ironically — aren't Victorian-based jockeys.

Whoever in Victoria is dealing with these jockeys before they ride needs to read them the riot act.

It's a simple message: "Your white line fever could cost someone's life."

The same message needs to be sent to jockeys right around Australia.

Racing Victoria CEO Andrew Jones is the boss of racing in Victoria.

Brian Kruger is the chairman.

Both of them need to make a stand on this issue.

Not tomorrow. Today.

If they don't, Jones and Kruger are in the wrong jobs.

Strong leadership, not only from Victoria but from all racing bodies around Australia, will save lives.

Right now, money and glory in racing doesn't matter.

Human lives are far more important.

[curious]

As I said, he's a serial offender Thommo. Sometinmes gets away with it, sometimes not.  Here's the citation in case anyone thinks you made that up. https://www.racenet.com.au/news/opie-bosson-and-nash-rawiller-what-the-hell-were-you-thinking-20230324

Edited December 10 by curious

[Chief Stipe]

So @Thomass you this Topic wth your original post of innuendo and inference about OP's personal life and drawing a long bow that contractually he had been released from his contract with Te Akau because of it.  Over time you have switched your argument to one where the reason is because of his riding record with the RIB.  The reality is likely that his issue with his weight has made his availability for most of Te Akau's current crop limited.  

So in summary you are on your typical obssessive approach to bashing ONE particular Jockey.  Therefore this Topic is closed.

For those who are interested in watching the Stewards vision which @Thomass has ranted about I have added this link that only shows the section of the race where the interfernce occurred.  My opinion is different to the Stewards with regard to the cause of the interference. 

Note:  there was another Jockey suspended that day for careless riding however @Thomass doesn't mention that case - I wonder why?

Note 2:  In the same race the following was also in the Stewards Report - BIG EXIT (D Mansour) - Raced greenly under pressure in the straight ducking outwards abruptly approaching the 100 metres.

 

[Chief Stipe]

Watch the head on view top right.  RInse and repeat.

[Chief Stipe]

43 minutes ago, curious said:

As I said, he's a serial offender Thommo. Sometinmes gets away with it, sometimes not.  Here's the citation in case anyone thinks you made that up.

Will you provide the citations for all @Thomass Downes or just select ones?

[Trojan]

59 minutes ago, curious said:

As I said, he's a serial offender Thommo. Sometinmes gets away with it, sometimes not. 

What if he is a serial offender?  He plays the margins as a lot of the top Jocks do.  In your words many of the top Jocks are serial offenders.  If they "sometimes gets away with it" whose fault is that?

[curious]

5 minutes ago, Trojan said:

What if he is a serial offender?  He plays the margins as a lot of the top Jocks do.  In your words many of the top Jocks are serial offenders.  If they "sometimes gets away with it" whose fault is that?

Agree, that's why he's won 99 G1's as I said. Not the greatest look for the social acceptability of the industry though.

[Special Agent]

9 minutes ago, Trojan said:

What if he is a serial offender?  He plays the margins as a lot of the top Jocks do.  In your words many of the top Jocks are serial offenders.  If they "sometimes gets away with it" whose fault is that?

Figures from NZTR performances in New Zealand, jockeys with a similar amount of rides:-

Jockey           Starts  Wins   Suspension

O Bosson       12,083  2,058     95

C Grylls          12,309  1,248      36

N Harris          13,237  1,792      36

L O'Sullivan    13,245  2,355     45

D Peake          14,739  1,116        18

L Allpress        15,769  1,950      58

Some may say a top rider, some may say reckless.  You be the judge.

[Wingman]

Statistics can be used to distort however a straight comparison between L O'S and O P says the latter is reckless.  N H was riding last decade so that tends to reinforce (36 vs 95) however O P now at tail end of career so storm in a teacup 

[Special Agent]

As a coincidence Hayden Tinsley's profile photo shows him in the Te Akau colours.  On style Hayden would compare favourably with Opie.  With about 1,000 less rides than Opie, his statistics are interesting:-

H Tinsley - 11,043 starts, 1,491 wins, 21 suspensions

[Newmarket]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

@Thomass you are seriously in danger of being banned completely from this site which would make it half a dozen wouldn't it?

You've been warned.

Only 6 times banned… it seems more😁.  I’m more interested in what he spends his time during the banned years

[Trojan]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Agree, that's why he's won 99 G1's as I said. Not the greatest look for the social acceptability of the industry though.

Why isn't?  The majority of punters don't care and the rest of the population wouldn't know unless you or Thomaas pointed it out to them!!!!

 

Edited December 10 by Trojan

[Chief Stipe]

42 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

As a coincidence Hayden Tinsley's profile photo shows him in the Te Akau colours.  On style Hayden would compare favourably with Opie.  With about 1,000 less rides than Opie, his statistics are interesting:-

H Tinsley - 11,043 starts, 1,491 wins, 21 suspensions

Two completely different styles of riding.  I've had them both ride horses I've had shares in.  On past experience I'd have one ride one type of horse and the other not.  Jockeys for horses for courses.

[Chief Stipe]

58 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

L Allpress        15,769  1,950      58

So where is @Thomass criticising Lisa Allpress with 58 suspensions?  Dont forget she had a couple of periods in her career where she didn't ride aggressively.

[Chief Stipe]

39 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Only 6 times banned… it seems more😁.  I’m more interested in what he spends his time during the banned years

Who frigging cares!

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Special Agent said:

Figures from NZTR performances in New Zealand, jockeys with a similar amount of rides:-

Jockey           Starts  Wins   Suspension

O Bosson       12,083  2,058     95

C Grylls          12,309  1,248      36

N Harris          13,237  1,792      36

L O'Sullivan    13,245  2,355     45

D Peake          14,739  1,116        18

L Allpress        15,769  1,950      58

Some may say a top rider, some may say reckless.  You be the judge.

Ok @Special Agent why don't you and @Thomass analyse some of the races Lance O'Sullivan won where he didn't get a suspension?

As a comparison on today's rules how long would he have been put out for his whipping of Our Waverley Star in the Cox Plate?

I'd also be interested to see a similar comparison with the top OZ jockeys.

[Special Agent]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Ok @Special Agent why don't you and @Thomass analyse some of the races Lance O'Sullivan won where he didn't get a suspension?

As a comparison on today's rules how long would he have been put out for his whipping of Our Waverley Star in the Cox Plate?

I'd also be interested to see a similar comparison with the top OZ jockeys.

I'm not on a mission to bag Opie Bosson, and I'm not in the pocket of Thomass.  There just seemed to be passionate people on both sides of the argument and I thought I'd go looking for a more factual approach vs emotional.

Lance O'Sullivan did hit hard when required but, he'd probably be one of only a few of the older jockeys who would adapt to the "less whip" style of today.  He liked to ride handy so if they were good enough they had been given every opportunity.

You'd have to agree that Hayden Tinsley is similar to Opie Bosson in that he had little use for lead bags and heavy boots.  He had less opportunities but that didn't stop him winning his fair share.

I think Craig Grylls is a better contemporary comparison to Opie as he has had around the same number of rides.  I have to admit I was shocked at how many times Opie has been suspended giving Craig the look on paper as a fairer rider.

No jockey is perfect.  One race that Lance kept after major interferrence was the Auckland Cup.  The race where Opie carved up the field and put many jockeys on the deck close to the finish at Hastings was as bad a riding example as you'd see.

[JJ Flash]

INCA BELLE (3)

J

O Bosson

T

M Walker & S Bergerson

 

The old team back together today

[Murray Fish]

3 hours ago, JJ Flash said:

INCA BELLE (3)

J

O Bosson

T

M Walker & S Bergerson

 

The old team back together today

plenty of $$$ to say its a winner,,,,

[Chief Stipe]

On 10/12/2024 at 7:19 PM, Special Agent said:

I'm not on a mission to bag Opie Bosson, and I'm not in the pocket of Thomass. 

But you did just bag him.

On 10/12/2024 at 7:19 PM, Special Agent said:

I thought I'd go looking for a more factual approach vs emotional.

You haven't provided a "more factual approach" instead you have selectively listed some statistics that supports your hypothesis.  Your statistical approach is a nonsense.

For example Craig Grylls started riding in 2005.  Opie Bosson 1995.  Effectively 10 riding seasons more.

To compare the Judicial era's of Noel Harris, David Peake and even Lance O'Sullivan to Opie Bossons is spurious at best.  

Not to mention that you have lumped all types of suspensions together.  The vast majority of the suspensions are for careless riding and many of those at a low level.  In some instances even the Stipes were defending him.

I note no one is bagging Lisa Allpress but based on your analysis perhaps they should.

So yes you have bagged Opie Bosson under the pretence of not doing so.